Where does Catholic act-based morality come from?

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catholic1seeks said:
Not all killing is a formal sin. But I think the issue here is that, not all killing is even a material sin.

But that is not the case with say, the Church’s teaching on sexual acts.
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“Killing” is not adequate language to describe a human (morally definable) act. Contraception is. Masturbation is. Murder is. Lying is. Etc.

Formal and material sin seems irrelevant in this discussion.
 
catholic1seeks said:
Not all killing is a formal sin. But I think the issue here is that, not all killing is even a material sin.

But that is not the case with say, the Church’s teaching on sexual acts.
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Sure - marital acts of husband and wife with each other can be not only not sinful even materially but be holy acts…
 
Rau said:
You are expressing opinion in your remarks on lying. If the act is a lie, then it is always a wrong act.

I don’t understand the rest of the post. What is “physical” act? Note that the physical acts you may witness in a killing - raising a gun, pulling trigger, bullet piercing the other person - tell us nothing about the morality of the act.
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What is opinion in my remarks on lying?

So what does tell us about the morality of the act in killing?
 
Rau said:
“Killing” is not adequate language to describe a human (morally definable) act. Contraception is. Masturbation is. Murder is. Lying is. Etc.

Formal and material sin seems irrelevant in this discussion.
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So not all of Catholic morality refers primarily to a physical act. As you pointed out, in the case of killing and murder. It it does for sexual morality. Why the distinction?
 
Bookcat said:
Lying is always wrong.
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Always.*

That was the point…not to cause any frustration 😉
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Lying is always wrong. How do we know that?

How do we define lying?

Not all Christians understand that to be so, and for various reasons.
 
catholic1seeks said:
So not all of Catholic morality refers primarily to a physical act. As you pointed out, in the case of killing and murder. It it does for sexual morality. Why the distinction?
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What distinction.

A couple can engage in the same physical act of sexual relations on two different days.

One one day it is a grave sin and brings them into the way of death.

The other day it is a holy act and unites them and helps them in their holiness.

The first time was while dating.

The second time was after they were joined in Holy Marriage.

Same physical act.

Different moral objects. Different moral realities.

First was fornication

Second was the marital act.
 
catholic1seeks said:
Lying is always wrong. How do we know that?

How do we define lying?

Not all Christians understand that to be so, and for various reasons.
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The Church scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a8.htm#2483 in teaching on Divine Revelation.

Jesus founded a Church…the fact that some Christians are not in full communion with that Church or do not understand the Teaching on lying does not change the nature of lying.
 
Bookcat said:
What distinction.

A couple can engage in the same physical act of sexual relations on two different days.

One one day it is a grave sin and brings them into the way of death.

The other day it is a holy act and unites them and helps them in their holiness.

The first time was while dating.

The second time was after they were joined in Holy Marriage.

Same physical act.
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Sexual acts are always evil if they do not follow the biological “lock and key” setup and are not open to life. Why?
 
Bookcat said:
The Church scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a8.htm#2483 in teaching on Divine Revelation.

Jesus founded a Church…the fact that some Christians are not in full communion with that Church or do not understand the Teaching on lying does not change the nature of lying.
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Some theologians in the Church would define lying in such a way that allows for, say, a woman tell the Nazi officer that no Jews are hiding in her home. And with no sin.
 
catholic1seeks said:
Sexual acts are always evil if they do not follow the biological “lock and key” setup and are not open to life. Why?
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Cause such are for marriage not for outside of marriage. My divine design. Uniting the couple in their self gift to each other and the way that God designed for new humans to come to be…in the love of marriage.

See…10 Commandments, Catechism on the 6th and 9th Commandment, and Marriage…Jesus in the Gospels about looking lustfully at a woman, St. John Paul II on Theology of the Body and what the act means and how otherwise it is a lie…etc etc
 
Also, the Catechism says that a lie is a falsehood told with the intention to deceive.

Even more, the initial 1994 Catechism edition said “To lie is to speak or act against the truth in order to lead into error someone who has the right to know the truth.”
 
catholic1seeks said:
…Not all Christians understand that to be so, and for various reasons.
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Is this an important observation? After all, not all Christians accept the true presence, go to Mass, believe that Jesus was God.

Morality becomes entirely flexible if there are no absolutes. It becomes easy to justify even the murder of a child - all that is required are circumstances where that act is seen to have sufficient benefits.
 
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