Where Does God Come From?

[razredge]

No I don’t admit your point. I can see where you’re coming from but I do not admit that it is correct. For that I need more than just your words so I still have to read up on it when I find the time.
Then why argue with me if you don’t even know what you’re arguing about?

But even a multiverse has a beginning in time so it is still not eternal.

Not necessarily, we cannot know for sure being outside our universe and all

Furthermore, if the multiverse is eternal then God did not design it. How does a multiverse do away with intelligent design?

Because it posits an infinite or a very large number of universes in which at least one could have the right conditions for supporting life.

Which one has greater credence in the scientific community?

The multiverse theory of course

Can you explain the how of the might not?
It might just necessarily exist like how God necessarily exists (we don’t ask ''who designed God do we?")

 

[benedictus2]

Then why argue with me if you don’t even know what you’re arguing about?

I was arguing based on how I understood your position. Now I realize that the way I initially understood your response is not correct.

Not necessarily, we cannot know for sure being outside our universe and all

And being outside our universe and all there may not be such a thing as a multiverse. So that, we cannot know for sure either.

Because it posits an infinite or a very large number of universes in which at least one could have the right conditions for supporting life.

Huh! How do you jump from quantity to probability? Why can’t it just all be not conducive to life?

If at the start there is no life at all then one can’t say the probability of one existing is such and such. How does one calculate the probability of something (life) existing from nothing.

The multiverse theory of course

Well it seems not. According to Spitzer, the probability of the multiverse being eternal is mitigated by the findings of Guth, Borde and Vilenkin. GBV’s findings came after the multiverse was postulated.

It might just necessarily exist like how God necessarily exists (we don’t ask ''who designed God do we?")

How?

We give reasons for God’s necessity. What is the reason for the necessity of the universe. If you are going to advance such a possibility you must have some kind of metaphysical or physical kind of rationale for such a belief. If not, one could just as easily posit the existence of fairies in your back garden.

 

[PJM]

=joshrp;8284320]Hi,

I was talking in another forum and the question came into my mind of Where does God Come From?

Does anyone know?

Joshua

God is the 'First thing and the last thing"; the Alpha and the Omega; always was, Is and always will be. God is the First coause and God is eternal.

God Bless,
Pat

 

[razredge]

And being outside our universe and all there may not be such a thing as a multiverse. So that, we cannot know for sure either.

True, we can’t tell either way, just like we can’t observe God

Huh! How do you jump from quantity to probability? Why can’t it just all be not conducive to life?

If there are a large number of universes with different parameters then it is reasonable to believe that at least some of them will support life.

If none supported life, we wouldn’t be here asking the question, now would we?

Well it seems not. According to Spitzer, the probability of the multiverse being eternal is mitigated by the findings of Guth, Borde and Vilenkin. GBV’s findings came after the multiverse was postulated.

Not necessarily, it could be possible that the universe exists in finite space time but is unbounded, like how a sphere has finite surface area but no beginning or end.
debunkingwlc.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/borde-guth-vilenkin/

How?

We give reasons for God’s necessity. What is the reason for the necessity of the universe. If you are going to advance such a possibility you must have some kind of metaphysical or physical kind of rationale for such a belief. If not, one could just as easily posit the existence of fairies in your back garden.

The exact same as those given for God’s necessity! To explain how the universe and ourselves got here. The multiverse hypothesis has the advantage of not positing an intelligence at the bottom of the ladder.

 

[Ryan_Miller]

In what way is it similar? And what do you mean by “self-existent?” That it came into being without a cause?

God didn’t come into existence. He always was, and will always be, in existence.

When a man creates something, he always makes it to fulfill some definite purpose. We were created, so we have a define purpose; God, however, was not created, so He does not need a reason to exist or any purpose to fulfill.