Where does history side?

[Lisa4Catholics]

michaelp:

I would love to discuss this Dennis, but as you know I am greatly involved in two other discussion of which I am the only non-catholic. You can understand how difficult it is to answer and struggle with each person’s comments. I have recently made a commentment to myself to only be involved in one at a time. I have already broken that committment. My wife is going to break another committment if I get involved in another thread right now (if you know what I mean)

I will keep looking to see if there is anyone who would like to get involved. But I have not seen many informed non-catholics browsing this site much. Just mainly “proof-text” throwers who don’t know or care much about history. The type that says, “if the Bible says it, that does it.” Or those who say, “all I need is the Bible and the Holy Spirit and I can figure everything out.” It is sad to say, but this is the majority of people that I deal with.

Michael

Michael,you have to show your wife this post She would get so tickled with the God Bless

 

[dennisknapp]

michaelp:

I would love to discuss this Dennis, but as you know I am greatly involved in two other discussion of which I am the only non-catholic. You can understand how difficult it is to answer and struggle with each person’s comments. I have recently made a commentment to myself to only be involved in one at a time. I have already broken that committment. My wife is going to break another committment if I get involved in another thread right now (if you know what I mean)

I will keep looking to see if there is anyone who would like to get involved. But I have not seen many informed non-catholics browsing this site much. Just mainly “proof-text” throwers who don’t know or care much about history. The type that says, “if the Bible says it, that does it.” Or those who say, “all I need is the Bible and the Holy Spirit and I can figure everything out.” It is sad to say, but this is the majority of people that I deal with.

Michael

Thanks Michael. I am looking for an informed Protestant to reply to this thread, but not even uninformed ones are responding.

I posted this in order to engage Protestants on the issue of historical belief. This is not to prove one side right or not, but to show where the historical evidence points. I even chose four main points with which to focus the discussion:

Communion is only symbolic; not salvific.

That baptism is only symbolic; not salvific.

Marian doctrine is a late innovation of the Roman Catholic Church.

That Apostolic Succession was not taught in the early Church.

All I am asking for is evidence of these Protestant beliefs in the early Church.

 

[Lorarose]

That’s odd…I think I can hear crickets.

 

[Maccabees]

History resides with the Jews and the apostles which Jesus gave the inspiriation to hand down His teachings. Salvation is of the Jews. (These are not my words, but Jesus’) Not one of Jesus teachings goes against the Old Testament, but they shed a broader light on what God the Father (Yahveh) had already revealed.

The books of Romans, Galatians and Hebrews as well as James and the Revelation of Jesus Christ make many things clear. Do you know how many quotations from Ezekiel, Daniel and Joel are contained in that last book alone? You would be amazed and astounded.

I was not aware Martin Luther and John Calvin and Henry VIII et al were Jews.
I do seem to remember Peter and the apostles were Jews.
They are the foundation stones of our church.
Our church is very Jewsih visit a synagouge and go to a catholic church you will see the connection go tuo the synagogue and got to a pentacostal church and you’’ notice there is virtually no connection.