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Where does it say in the Bible that you can leave the original Church, the Catholic Church?

Where does it say in the Bible that you can disagree with the original Church, the Catholic Church?
 
Where does it say in the Bible that you can leave the original Church, the Catholic Church?

Where does it say in the Bible that you can disagree with the original Church, the Catholic Church?
Romans 17: 6-12
 
Where does it say in the Bible that you can leave the original Church, the Catholic Church?

Where does it say in the Bible that you can disagree with the original Church, the Catholic Church?
No where, since the Catholic Church is not mentioned in the Bible.

The word church in the Bible is not a separate institution, but just a word to identify the belivers.

church=disciples=believers=saints
 
No where, since the Catholic Church is not mentioned in the Bible.

The word church in the Bible is not a separate institution, but just a word to identify the belivers.

church=disciples=believers=saints
You are absolutely right the word church is not in the bible.
 
You are absolutely right the word church is not in the bible.
Hmmm…

Matthew 16

17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

1 Timothy 3
15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Matthew 18

17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
 
Hmmm…

Matthew 16

17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

1 Timothy 3
15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Matthew 18

17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
You’re kidding right? Someone says the word “church” does not appear in the Bible and to prove them wrong you provide quotes in English?

I think the point was that the word “church” is pagan in origin (from German Kirke meaning circle), and is not a translation of the word Ekklesia in the Bible, which simply means the called out (of the world).
 
You’re kidding right? Someone says the word “church” does not appear in the Bible and to prove them wrong you provide quotes in English?

I think the point was that the word “church” is pagan in origin (from German Kirke meaning circle), and is not a translation of the word Ekklesia in the Bible, which simply means the called out (of the world).
Hello ckempston,

Using that logic, would you please explain the following verses?
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**Acts 2:46 **

46 Every day they devoted themselves to meeting together in the temple area and to breaking bread in their homes

**Acts 3:1-9 ******
1 1 Now Peter and John were going up to the temple area for the three o’clock hour of prayer. 2
2 And a man crippled from birth was carried and placed at the gate of the temple called “the Beautiful Gate” every day to beg for alms from the people who entered the temple.
3When he saw Peter and John about to go into the temple, he asked for alms.
4 But Peter looked intently at him, as did John, and said, “Look at us.”
5 He paid attention to them, expecting to receive something from them.
6 3 Peter said, “I have neither silver nor gold, but what I do have I give you: in the name of Jesus Christ the Nazorean, (rise and) walk.”
7 Then Peter took him by the right hand and raised him up, and immediately his feet and ankles grew strong.
8 He leaped up, stood, and walked around, and went into the temple with them, walking and jumping and praising God.
9 When all the people saw him walking and praising God,

Acts 5:20
20"Go and take your place in the temple area, and tell the people everything about this life."

Acts 5:25****
25 Then someone came in and reported to them, “The men whom you put in prison are in the temple area and are teaching the people.”
**
Would you like me to continue?
 
Hello ckempston,

Using that logic, would you please explain the following verses?

Would you like me to continue?
Would you like to make a point? That passage is in my Bible as well, and I can’t see a reason I would have a problem with it.
 
Would you like to make a point? That passage is in my Bible as well, and I can’t see a reason I would have a problem with it.
Hello again ckempston,

Maybe, I misunderstood you but, it seemed to me from your previous comments here that you were, in some way, disputing that fact that the Bible, did actually discuss the early Church.

Did I misunderstand your comments? Could you please clarify your comments?

Peace 🙂
 
I think the point was that the word “church” is pagan in origin (from German Kirke meaning circle),
My dictionary says, “Middle English chirche, from Old English cirice, ultimately from Late Greek kyriakon, from Greek, neuter of kyriakos of the lord, from kyrios lord, master; akin to Sanskrit śūra hero, warrior”
and is not a translation of the word Ekklesia in the Bible, which simply means the called out (of the world).
Mr. Strong gives more meanings than that.

Ekklesia (G1577):
from a compound of (ek) and a derivative of (kaleo); a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both) :- assembly, church.
—Strong’s Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

So, it seems that one of the meanings of “church” is - church. 😉

Blessings,
Ruthie
 
The Bible does say that if people are taught the truth but do not believe, we are to shake our sandals of their dust & move on. One can, of course, continue to pray that they accept the Holy Spirit through the seed sown…

My Bible is in English, because that is the language I know. That said, I will not use the KJV because it is incomplete - & I can only imagine the semantical inaccuracies in that bible once translated to other languages - keeping in mind that it is also a version with a man’s name on it.
 
]Where does it say in the Bible that you can leave the original Church, the Catholic Church?
If you’re looking at the whole bible, I believe the original church was the Tabernacle/mishkan.

Hmmm. 🤷
 
Where does it say in the Bible that you can leave the original Church, the Catholic Church?

Where does it say in the Bible that you can disagree with the original Church, the Catholic Church?
Where does it say that the Roman Catholic Church is the church it’s talking about when it uses the word church? The church is simply the whole community of believers and according to the Bible it is Christ who adds each one to it as they’re saved. Nothing about it being the Roman Catholic Church that I can see.
 
Where does it say that the Roman Catholic Church is the church it’s talking about when it uses the word church? The church is simply the whole community of believers and according to the Bible it is Christ who adds each one to it as they’re saved. Nothing about it being the Roman Catholic Church that I can see.
Nor does it use the words Protestant, reformation, Martin Luther, Calvin, King James, or grape juice - yet these have all been given great weight anyway in some faiths. Why aren’t they questioned as well? :confused:
 
Hello again ckempston,

Maybe, I misunderstood you but, it seemed to me from your previous comments here that you were, in some way, disputing that fact that the Bible, did actually discuss the early Church.

Did I misunderstand your comments? Could you please clarify your comments?

Peace 🙂
That was definitely not my point, so sorry if my comments were misleading. My point was that the word “church” in English does not convey the same meaning as “ekklesia” in Greek.
 
My dictionary says, “Middle English chirche, from Old English cirice, ultimately from Late Greek kyriakon, from Greek, neuter of kyriakos of the lord, from kyrios lord, master; akin to Sanskrit śūra hero, warrior”
That’s fine and dandy, but let’s not quibble too much over spellings and variants. My point is that Church, no matter how you cut it, is not a translation, or a transliteration of Ekklesia. The Spanish word, for instance, is quite obviously derived from Ekklesia (Iglesia). They even look and sound the same. “Church” obviously has the same basic meaning in modern usage, but when most people hear “church” today, they think of a building. The first Christians would have thought of an assembly of Christians, which Strong’s definition that you provided supports.
Mr. Strong gives more meanings than that.
Ekklesia (G1577):
—Strong’s Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary
So, it seems that one of the meanings of “church” is - church. 😉
Blessings,
Ruthie
 
All this arguing and fighting amonghst you all is putting a bad taste in my mouth. I’m thinking of leaving Christianity as a whoel when I read these things…and sadly these types pf threads are originated by a Catholic.

Sad, Sad, Sad.

Jimmy, please stop posting baited threads to start fights. Be more open, accepting and less confrontational.
you may see peolpe actually taking more of an interest, rather than fighting and being pushed further from a chruch that they now percevie as being super-arrogant.
 
All this arguing and fighting amonghst you all is putting a bad taste in my mouth. I’m thinking of leaving Christianity as a whoel when I read these things…and sadly these types pf threads are originated by a Catholic.

Sad, Sad, Sad.

Jimmy, please stop posting baited threads to start fights. Be more open, accepting and less confrontational.
you may see peolpe actually taking more of an interest, rather than fighting and being pushed further from a chruch that they now percevie as being super-arrogant.
Ok…Let me see…you, a non-Catholic poster, are going to BLAM, a Catholic poster, on an internet forum… for “leaving Christianity”…:rolleyes:

Sad, Sad, Sad.
 
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