I had a priest tell me that Obamacare is the closest ideal to the Social Justice theories of the Church that has ever existed. He even had the audacity to say, “Well, abortion has always existed”. I told him hes, but never has it been given legality before. Yes, indeed, if one thinks health care for all, spread the wealth, and socialism is the ultimate goal of human society; If our priests are upholding and teaching the Seamless Garment theory to the laity, the laity seems to think that absolves them of all responsibility for thinking and following the teachings of the Church as given to us by Christ and His apostles until now. We follow like sheep.This has come about due to the “Consistent Life Ethics” and Seamless Garment argument that came from Bernardin, has it not? I, like our departed bishop Martino, will say, “the USCCB doesn’t speak for me!” The term social justice has been distorted to the point where it is unrecognizable. They seem to have completely forgotten solidarity and any common good. Common good now only relates to the “poor” and the political clout they are being given by the radical, left-leaning Alinskyian style community organizing of all the groups the USCCB supports.
Well, let’s see now. The USCCB supports Obamacare! They support a blanket amnesty regardless of the fact that many blue collar jobs and the poor in America are losing their employment to illegals (especially hard to take with a tanked economy!) They support government control of right wing media outlets. They are against Constitutional civil liberties like the right to bear arms. They support government collectivism BUT have they forgotten that the State in its Almighty Power will also be the arbiter of moral issues. I think they have! Their CCHD openly funds and supports those groups advocating for abortion rights for the poor, same-sex marriage, and the legalization of prostitution! I, for one, will not listen to the USCCB regarding any political statement that bureaucracy makes.
One really wonders these days with all the declarations (NOT Catechesis) coming from them how it relates to the doctrine of indefectibility. Although the statements they make are not binding, those Catholics who lack good prudential judgment will surely be led astray! The truth of the Church will stand, but woe to our bishops!
This has come about due to the “Consistent Life Ethics” and Seamless Garment argument that came from Bernardin, has it not? I, like our departed bishop Martino, will say, “the USCCB doesn’t speak for me!” The term social justice has been distorted to the point where it is unrecognizable. They seem to have completely forgotten solidarity and any common good. Common good now only relates to the “poor” and the political clout they are being given by the radical, left-leaning Alinskyian style community organizing of all the groups the USCCB supports.
Well, let’s see now. The USCCB supports Obamacare! They support a blanket amnesty regardless of the fact that many blue collar jobs and the poor in America are losing their employment to illegals (especially hard to take with a tanked economy!) They support government control of right wing media outlets. They are against Constitutional civil liberties like the right to bear arms. They support government collectivism BUT have they forgotten that the State in its Almighty Power will also be the arbiter of moral issues. I think they have! Their CCHD openly funds and supports those groups advocating for abortion rights for the poor, same-sex marriage, and the legalization of prostitution! I, for one, will not listen to the USCCB regarding any political statement that bureaucracy makes.
One really wonders these days with all the declarations (NOT Catechesis) coming from them how it relates to the doctrine of indefectibility. Although the statements they make are not binding, those Catholics who lack good prudential judgment will surely be led astray! The truth of the Church will stand, but woe to our bishops!
Stop wavering and read some good Catholic authors and articles. We can’t be faithful to our faith through osmosis.
Uh, what prompted that remark, and what did it have to do with Tigg’s comment which you quoted?
Sounds like an “if abortion isn’t first on your political wish list you can’t be a real Catholic” remark.Uh, what prompted that remark, and what did it have to do with Tigg’s comment which you quoted?
Although I agree with you regarding a respect for ALL human life. Social Justice Begins in the Womb. THAT is the lowest common denominator.
Pray and read.Uh, what prompted that remark, and what did it have to do with Tigg’s comment which you quoted?
Cause goodness knows we must not have if we disagree with you.Pray and read.
I’m with you on the poverty issue. Health care, I agree with the post suggesting that our law makers should be required to have the same heath care program all of us might be required to have. As for your concerns about racial injustice? I can only say that we are all entitled to our own opinions on this issue, and mine is that if there is still any racial injustice, especially after 40+ years post civil rights, it is because that is the way our political leadership wants it to be. The unfortunate part about making “just” our racially “injust” society, at least the way we’ve been going at it for the last 40+ years, is that some other segment of our society is adversely affected; read: reverse discrimination!
Well said.
Haven’t we been trying that for at least 2000 years?Well said.
Well said.
I just resent anyone trying to push their morals off on to me. Heard that before?
Jesus told us to so it MUST be the right. The problem is that not enough people listen to him.Haven’t we been trying that for at least 2000 years?
You can say that again. However, I am coming to the opinion it takes more than listening. Some people need to be hit over the head, so to speak, just to get their attention. If more Catholics don’t begin to come out of their “tolerance” phase very soon, I am afraid there are going to be even fewer who listen. Especially ones who want to listen. We are, just as the Israelites, “A stiff necked people”.Jesus told us to so it MUST be the right. The problem is that not enough people listen to him.
What has happened is an emergence of “buzzword bills” in which Congress passes laws that sound good but which are not well thought out and are either impractical or hopelessly expensive. Cash for Clunkers, as one small example. The various bail out bills, as other examples. Free government healthcare, another example.
As a single issue abortion HAS TO have preference, but I find those who support implicitly or explicitly abortion often also suffort the other “intrinsic evils” same sex union [can’t get my self to say marriage], stem cell research, and I would add Government Controlled Health Care, knowing FULLWELL that THIS Government will beyond any shadow of doubt, abuse the power and set “conditions” for who lives and who dies. Who received assistance and who does not will be closely aligned with “toeing” the political ine of those in Governance. This friend is closely tied to population control.
