Because he is also true Man, with human emotions. Because he is true God, he could never be separated or abandoned by God. Because he is sinless, he never broke communion with God. But because he bore the sins of the whole world on the cross, becoming sin for us, as it were, it was only natural that in his human nature, he could have the emotion of feeling abandoned by God. But by quoting the first words, of all things, Psalm 22, the cry from the cross was not one of expressing that feeling of abandonment. It was also an application of the Psalm’s triumphant ending to himself, which is exactly what happened three days later.
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JohnR77
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That should have been why does Jesus pray the beginning of the Psalm that uses the word “worm” ?
Scott Hahn points out that saying the beginning verse of song brings to mind the whole song and its meaning. For example, “Oh say can you see by the dawn’s early light?”
He shows that he experiences our pain and yet we know in faith that He is with us, and do we have good reason to hope
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Tomdstone
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Does that then indicate a change in God. At one time He did not have these emotions, but at another time He did experience them as a man.
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mark_a
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So anyway, is the idea of Jesus being God just too good to be true for you?
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Tomdstone
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I would appreciate it if people could leave out the ad hominem arguments.
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mark_a
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Oops. OK. Sorry.
No. By taking on himself a human nature, Jesus did not cease to be God, since God cannot change. His taking upon a human nature did not at all change his divine nature; this would be a variant of the Monophysite heresy. But he remained a single Person, that of the Son.
As God, he still doesn’t have those emotions. As man, he does.
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Tomdstone
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This is what I find hard to understand.
It is claimed that at one point in time God did not have a human nature.
Then at a later point in time, God assumed a human nature.
This seems to imply a change to me. But God is unchangeable and immutable.
A) 5000 years ago God did not have a human nature.
B) 2000 years ago God did have a human nature.
Conclusion: There was a change in an attribute of God.
Again no. God’s nature is divine. Since Jesus has two natures divine and human, there is no change to the divine nature. He took on himself a human nature, which is distinct from his divine nature. One cannot even really say the human nature of the Son is an attribute of God, because a human nature is an attribute of man. It is this nature that is changeable, and that human nature is indeed now in the Godhead. But it did not make God different, or greater, because he cannot be more than what he already was in the beginning. The acquisition of the human nature did nothing to change the divine nature. There were united in a single Person (the Hypostatic Union).
It does, however, make US greater than what we once were.
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Tomdstone
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5000 years ago the human nature was not in the Godhead
2000 years ago the human nature was in the Godhead?
So the Godhead has changed?
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Darryl_B
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God does not and has not changed. You are focusing on the nature, the immutable unchangeable God is His Truth, His Judgment, His Righteousness, His Holiness, His Love, His Tender-Mercies, His Forgiveness, His Steadfastness, His Slowness-to-Anger.
There has been no change. And Jesus as God manifest in the flesh, showed us that.
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Darryl_B
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Don’t be sorry. That was not an ad hominem argument and Tomdstone should not have described it as such. It is a valid question that could quite easily be answered. There is a huge difference between ad hominem (which belittles an opponent) and a personal question of ones personal faith.
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Randy_Carson
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Correct.
No it has not, because the Godhead has a divine nature, which does not change.
The Son, however, now has a human nature, and that nature experienced change. Jesus, as God cannot and will never change. As man, he could learn and grow and be glorified. Jesus’ human nature did not introduce a change to the Godhead; it can’t.
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AmbroseSJ
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Be careful that you don’t merge the two natures of Jesus Christ.
His Divine nature and His Human nature are a hypostatic union. They are not co-mingled. Therefore the Divine nature of Jesus (meaning the second PERSON of the Holy Trinity) is the same now as it was an infinity of time ago. However what changed was that the PERSON of Jesus Christ appeared at the Incarnation. That Person, did experience change, from infant to adult to Glorified King, High Priest and Son of God.
Don’t give yourself headaches trying to thoroughly understand it. It is a Divine Mystery, revealed by Jesus Christ Himself.
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BarryI
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Jesus was not God . He was the son of God. To say otherwise would be to call God and Jesus both liars. Jesus called God His Father on many occasions and when He was baptized God spoke and said He was his Son . To think anything different is to say that God and Jesus purposely misled us. I do not think they would do that. Accept it for what it is. Jesus and God are one in being , meaning , Jesus watched and learned from His father since before the foundation of the world and so, was just Like Him .He always said "The Father is greater than I ". Just as Jesus wants us all to be as one in Him and God. That doesn’t mean we are God, does it. No . It means we think and act and have taken on the qualities of God. That’s it. That’s what Jesus did.
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AmbroseSJ
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Sorry Barryl, but you can’t call yourself a Christian without acknowledging the Holy Trinity and the Divinity of Jesus. Otherwise you are no different than a Muslim. They would probably agree with all that you said. I’m not going to explain the Truth of Christianity to you in an internet post, but just know that you are not a Christian.
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BarryI
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No not true. You just believe a doctrine. I believe the Word of God which is written in the Bible by the 4 Godpel writers. As I stated God would not have sent a Son and then told everyone it was a son if he weren’t. Why do you have such a hard time believing that God created Jesus to be by His side and to be with Him while he created the Hesvens and the earth? God Himself even said He was His Son. Why then would God lie?Sorry Barryl, but you can’t call yourself a Christian without acknowledging the Holy Trinity and the Divinity of Jesus. Otherwise you are no different than a Muslim. They would probably agree with all that you said. I’m not going to explain the Truth of Christianity to you in an internet post, but just know that you are not a Christian.
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kaneata
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Written in the gospel of John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” It says it right there in the Gospel that Jesus, the Word, was God.
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