Where does the Eastern Rite stand with the Pope?

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To give a basic overview of the history, Peter exercised his ministry in Jerusalem before moving to Antioch, which already had been an extremely early center of Christianity where Christians were first called Christians and where the initial dispute between Paul and Barnabas and the Judaizers was originally centered. It may have been while based in Jerusalem or Antioch that Peter went on a missionary voyage and evangelized Rome, but this is highly disputable. In any case he eventually made it to Rome and was martyred and buried there, along with St. Paul.

With the destruction of Jerusalem and the decline of Jewish Christianity, Jerusalem quickly faded from importance, leaving Antioch and Rome as the two major centers of Christianity with links to Peter. To these Alexandria was quickly added, where St. Mark, a disciple of both Peter and Paul and author of one of the Gospels, had been bishop (thus all three of these old centers had both a Petrine and a Pauline link, interestingly enough).

Of these three, Rome was, I believe, always the preeminent one, as even the Orthodox will admit in my experience, though interpreting that preeminence in a different way. To the original three centers two more patriarchates were eventually added, Jerusalem (obviously historically important despite more or less a lack of continuity between the church there in Apostolic times and in later ages) and Constantinople, which had become extremely important politically and was also host to two ecumenical councils. Constantinople was particularly important as it came to have a sort of primacy of honor in the East, just beneath Rome, and because it set an important precedent: a patriarchate with no particular connection to St. Peter, aside from the (late?) legend that the church there had been founded by St. Andrew, the brother of St. Peter.

This is essentially where things stood in 1054, the date conventionally given for the Great Schism because of the mutual anathemas that were exchanged between the Pope (sort of… it’s a long story) and the Patriarch of Constantinople in that year.

The causes and exact nature of this schism are a very difficult subject to get into. Suffice it to say most Eastern Christians were no longer in communion with the bishop of Rome, the preeminent bishop of the Church, who as Catholic teaching would later make even more clear was and always had been the essential point of unity for the Catholic Church. In the late 11th century crusaders discovered embattled Eastern Christians (the Maronites) in Lebanon who professed to have always been Catholics in communion with the Pope, and these formed the first of the modern Eastern Catholic Churches. Later Eastern Catholic Churches formed as additional groups of Orthodox entered communion with Rome. The leaders of some of these Eastern Catholic Churches were given titles as Patriarchs, being seen by the west as filling the sees left vacant by the Great Schism (often multiple leaders were given the title to the same ancient city, especially Antioch). There were also Latin Patriarchs of these cities, of which the only one remaining today is the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem.

Meanwhile the Orthodox continued to exist, in schism but for the most part truly orthodox in their beliefs, and continued to spread especially in the Slavic world (while declining in the Middle East due to Muslim invasions). New autocephalous Churches were formed within the Orthodox Church and the leaders of some of these were proclaimed Patriarchs despite having no distinct Petrine connection, most importantly the Patriarch of Moscow.

Today, the mutual anathemas between the Pope and the Patriarch of Constantinople have been revoked and ecumenical dialogue has progressed. Contrary to what might seem intuitive, the existence of the Eastern Catholic Churches within the Catholic Church provides a remaining source of tension with the Orthodox rather than a bridge between us, or at least they sometimes do so from the perspective of the Orthodox, as opposed to from the perspective of Latin Rite Catholics. As we’ve seen, some Eastern Catholics would prefer the Eastern Catholic Churches to disappear if reunion were achieved with the Orthodox (with the exception, I would hope and assume, of ones like the Maronites with their unique history and those Eastern Catholic Churches whose non-Catholic parallels are Oriental Orthodox or Assyrian, not Orthodox). I would guess some other Eastern Catholics would be nervous about such a union between their Church and a likely much larger and often historically hostile Orthodox Church, though. It’s a very difficult problem
 
The following quotes give you an insight on where is the position of Eastern rites on the authority of Pope.

The former Major Archbishop of Syro Malabar Catholic church, Cardinal Varkey Vithayathil said, “What is the authrority of Rome/ On what basis, Rome appoints bishops all over the world? From where it got all these powers? In the first centuries, there was a dispute between Rome and Antioch, who is head and superior.”
Cardinal said these words after returning from Rome attending the conclave that elected Holy father Pope Benedict 16 as Pope.

The Major Archbishop of Syro Malankara catholic church, Baselius Mor Cleemis said, "According to Antiochene tradition, Patrirach of Antioch is the head of the christian church and successor of apostle Peter. His official name is Ignatius. Archbishop Joseph Powathil presided over my election as Major Archbishop. After my election, Archbishop Joseph Powathil adviced me to be sincere and faithful to Antiochene tradition and Aniochene liturgy always’.

In the beginning of the previous century, the great American Archbishop, Cardinal James Gibbons said, “Peter went to Antioch, established the church there and served as the bishop there. What is the authority of Rome?”
you’re passing this same shortened quote to other threads for what purpose? Especially since the part you intentionally delete from the quote wrecks your point. I hope you saw this post. By doing what you’ve done, you malign Cardinal Gibbons which is a sin. You’ve clearly got an agenda. For others reading this post, the following link answering josethomas, has an internal link to what Cardinal Gibbons wrote.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8393647&postcount=35

Next time don’t shout.
 
Hi Alex,
Thanks for your update on the Eastern Catholics appealing to the Eastern Orthodox for
union. In was more than informative, it was touching.

The union of Brest was mentioned as a less than ideal model for union.
There is an article in CAF enclycopedia on this and briefly it says:

“Bishops Gideon Balaban, of Lemberg, and Michael Kopystenski, of Przemysl, having
declared themselves opposed to the union, were deposed and excommunicated. Their
dioceses remained in schism until 1720.”

And further:
“Sigismund III… ordered the Ruthenians to recognize as bishops only those who had
accepted the act of union.”

It might be referring to this unfortunate division and the lack of carring out a full union,
leaving some bishops behind.
Yes, and no.

Yes, because this illustrates that the entire thing was political, it was not a mass conversion of Orthodox to Catholicism. It was simply an act of the Papacy (really, the king, since it is a fact that in most countries in those days the ultimate power in the church was usually the local king, not always the Pope) taking control of the Orthodox in the kingdom of Poland. Oddly, there was little to no difference between the two at this point: some dioceses were full of Orthodox laity and Orthodox clergy with bishops in communion with the Pope … some dioceses were full of Orthodox laity and Orthodox clergy with bishops not communion with the Pope. They were almost indistinguishable [this was to change over time].

And no, because it process was more complicated and widespread than this one incident at one time. It was almost everywhere done in a similarly unflattering manner. Often by force or coercion. The laity were not involved in the process, and did not themselves ‘convert’.

[Also, I don’t think the two bishops mentioned were actually deposed, I am pretty sure they continued in their own Sees.]

This method of ‘unifying’ the church by dealing with the head and trying to control the church through the head really bespeaks of a Latin ‘top-down’ approach to ecclesiology. Of course, this is partly the reason these union attempts have usually failed, or are so unstable.

To you point (and mine, I guess) I remember a quote of Cardinal Lubomyr Husar (Catholic patriarch of Kiev) where he said “If we take Uniatism in this classical way of trying to re-establish unity, we as well do not accept it. We were tricked into it. It was not the intention of our bishops at the end of the 16th century. But this was the political situation within the Polish kingdom of that time. And it was also the theological understanding of the Latin Church after the Council of Trent. But this is the past. And we would not like to have Uniatism used anymore as a way of establishing unity”.
 
Wesley, the Pope speaks for ALL Christianity, and those not in communion often don’t like what they hear.
The Pope speaks ‘for’ the Catholic Church. He may speak ‘to’ other Christians, but not ‘for’ them.
 
Hesychios, fred’s information on the excommunicated bishops is from the Catholic Encyclopedia (1912):

newadvent.org/cathen/15130a.htm
I realize that, however I think that they were not successfully deposed. I cannot find any mention of it anywhere else, and the old Catholic Encyclopedia admits the dioceses “remained in schism”. No explanation is given for how that could be.

Lviv remained Orthodox for another 120 years, so the efforts to displace bishop Balaban were probably ineffectual. The kings of Poland apparently recognized Orthodox bishops for that city from that point on, until 1720.
 
I realize that, however I think that they were not successfully deposed. I cannot find any mention of it anywhere else, and the old Catholic Encyclopedia admits the dioceses “remained in schism”. No explanation is given for how that could be.

Lviv remained Orthodox for another 120 years, so the efforts to displace bishop Balaban were probably ineffectual. The kings of Poland apparently recognized Orthodox bishops for that city from that point on, until 1720.
Eighteen Centuries of the Orthodox Greek Church By A. H. Hore, First Gorgius Press, 2003 (reissued from 1899) (p. 544) states that there were anathemas from the Orthodox Synod to the Unia and, in return, from the Unia to the Orthodox. This was mentioned just after a paragraph about Bishop Gideon’s counter Unia efforts. (In the Chapter: The Three Romes.)
 
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