Where does the story of Veronica come from?

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I am not questioning the Church here, just going to stations of the cross, all of them are biblical except the one of Veronica wiping the face of Jesus. I was just wondering where this story comes from. Is it in a New Testament apocryphal book, or is it solely based on tradition? Just curious because I do own a couple New Testament apocrypha books and would like to check it out if is in any of them.
 
I am not questioning the Church here, just going to stations of the cross, all of them are biblical except the one of Veronica wiping the face of Jesus. I was just wondering where this story comes from. Is it in a New Testament apocryphal book, or is it solely based on tradition? Just curious because I do own a couple New Testament apocrypha books and would like to check it out if is in any of them.
From Way of the Cross, Meditations of St. Pope John Paul II

“Tradition has bequeathed us Veronica. Perhaps she is a counterpart to the story of the Cyrenian. As a woman, she could not physically carry the Cross or even be called upon to do so, yet in fact she did carry the Cross with Jesus: she carried it in the only way possible to her at the moment and in obedience to the dictates of her heart: she wiped his Face.
Tradition has it that an imprint of Christ’s features remained on the cloth she used. This detail seems fairly easy to explain: since the cloth was covered with blood and sweat, it would preserve traces and outlines.”

vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/2003/documents/ns_lit_doc_20030418_viacrucis_en.html
 
It’s a corruption of the Latin term vera icon, true image, referring to the burial cloth itself. “The Veronica”.

It was mistake for a proper name.
 
It’s a corruption of the Latin term vera icon, true image, referring to the burial cloth itself. “The Veronica”.

It was mistake for a proper name.
In addition to this, I have also read that there is speculation that in the early centuries of the Church, what we now know today as the “Shroud of Turin” was displayed - perhaps secretly - in such a way that only the imprint of the Holy Face was visible, and that the presence of the image of Jesus’ face gave rise to the legend of Veronica.
 
Wow! I remember taking a non-catholic friend to the stations and I told the story just like I had always heard it and then realized it wasn’t in the bible… I had guessed it was just a tradition. Jesus did stop and speak to the women on the way of the cross, right?.. Told them not to cry for him but for themselves and for their children… It was one of my best childhood memories, Father reading that part from the Way of the Cross during Lent…
“We adore thee, Oh Christ, and we praise Thee, because by thy holy cross thou hast redeemed the world!”
 
It appears that the ultimate source of the Veronica legend is the facial image that is found on the Shroud of Turin.
In about A.D. 30 king Abgar V of Edessa heard of a healer and teacher in Israel. He sent a messenger to find this healer and to invite him to Edessa to live there under his protection.
The messenger found Jesus who declined the invitation to Edessa, but promised to send a disciple to heal the king. Later, the disciple Thomas commissioned Thaddeus (one of the seventy) to go to Edessa and there the king summoned him.
When entering the king’s presence, Thaddeus held up a cloth which bore Jesus’ facial image. Upon seeing this, the king was immediately healed of his disease. Edessa became the first Christian city.

After the death of Abgar V, the sacred cloth was hidden and sealed in the west gate of Edessa where it remained until the early 6th century then becoming known as the Image of Edessa “made without hands” (meaning that it was miraculous in its formation.) Shroud researchers theorize that in ancient times a bloody burial cloth was regarded as an abhorrent, unclean thing and that, because of this, only the facial portion of the image bearing cloth was ever exhibited.

In 944 Emperor Romanos Lecapenos extracted the Image of Edessa though the payment of a large sum of silver and the threat of force.
The Sacred Cloth formally entered Constantinople on August 16th, 944 where it became known as the Holy Mandylion.
Iconography is a Byzantine tradition and, of course, many icons of the Mandylion were made and continue to be made to this day. A true or “vera” icon would be one that was made from direct observation of the Mandylion and then touched to the sacred cloth. Some of these true icons or “vera iconica” made their way to the Roman Church and to the Vatican itself. Yes, there were more than one, and at some point the Vatican had to intervene to settle the question as to which one was the true “Veronica.”*

How the Sacred Image of our Lord came to be imprinted on the cloth was not understood in ancient times. The linen was never fully exhibited, only the facial portion was shown.
If anyone knew that that it was in fact a burial cloth, they kept quiet about that fact. Thus many myths were invented to explain it. One was that Abgar V’s messenger was attempting to draw a portrait of Jesus when Jesus stopped him and held up the canvas to His face leaving a likeness. Another was that Jesus held a cloth to His face when praying so intensely in the garden. But these ideas fail to explain the blood and the facial bruising.

The Veronica story does better of course. Its flaw is that the ever present religious authorities would have immediately and forcefully confiscated any such image bearing cloth as both contrary to Jewish Law and inimical to their interests.
However, the Veronica theory was such an improvement over earlier postulations that you will find on some Eastern Church Mandylion icons a small representation of Station Six along with the representations of Thaddeus meeting Abgar V and the west gate of Edessa. I other words the Legend of Veronica, formed in the West, made its way back to the East!

*“HOLY FACES, SECRET PLACES,” Wilson, 1991
 
St Veronica was canonized a saint in 1885 therefore she is a real individual who is currently in Heaven (though her original name would be different from whatever we commonly use).
 
Wow! I remember taking a non-catholic friend to the stations and I told the story just like I had always heard it and then realized it wasn’t in the bible… I had guessed it was just a tradition. Jesus did stop and speak to the women on the way of the cross, right?.. Told them not to cry for him but for themselves and for their children… It was one of my best childhood memories, Father reading that part from the Way of the Cross during Lent…
“We adore thee, Oh Christ, and we praise Thee, because by thy holy cross thou hast redeemed the world!”
True except Station 8 is Jesus meeting the women of Jerusalem. Station 6 is the wiping of his face by Veronica.
 
St Veronica was canonized a saint in 1885 therefore she is a real individual who is currently in Heaven (though her original name would be different from whatever we commonly use).
This is not accurate.

Pope Leo XIII approved the devotion to the *Holy Face of Jesus *in 1885.

St. Veronica was never canonized at all through the modern process, certainly not in 1885.
 
In the Anglican Church we have the fourteen Stations of the Cross. Whenever I pass by Station Six, I always pause for a moment to give this Station the reverence that it deserves.
In my mind the story of Veronica points the way to our Lord’s enduring miracle, the one that has lasted for two thousand years and is here now for all of the faithful to witness: our Lord’s Sacred Image and Blood on His Holy Burial Linen.
 
Scripture does not say that Our Like fell three separate times.
 
Its tradition.
And beautiful.
And thanks for trashing the Saint I named my daughter after. :mad:
 
Its tradition.
And beautiful.
And thanks for trashing the Saint I named my daughter after. :mad:
Where was the “trashing?” All I saw was a statement of fact. Surely a parallel situation with “St. Christopher.”
 
So there’s a canonized saint who no-one even knows really existed? There must be more evidence than what I’ve seen in the thread. If the Church canonized her, there has to be more evidence that she really existed than just some speculative stories or complete tradition that has no merit historically.
 
@jas:

There are quite a few earlier saints who don’t have historical merit outside of oral tradition. Unless you were a famous writer, you wouldn’t have a paper trail, so they relied on other writers to be known at all. St Veronica’s witness would have come from 1st generation Christians that knew of the event, or it would have been directly witnessed by Mary #1, Mary #2, Mary #3 & St John that saw Veronica’s work of mercy.
 
So there’s a canonized saint who no-one even knows really existed?
The canonization process has changed significantly over the centuries. The Church did not canonize St. Veronica in the sense you are thinking of.
There must be more evidence than what I’ve seen in the thread. If the Church canonized her, there has to be more evidence that she really existed than just some speculative stories or complete tradition that has no merit historically.
No. There is no mention of Veronica in the early church documents.

The stations came into existence in the 1300s and the inclusion of the icon, the Veronica, comes from that time period as does the sixth station. The story of the holy image does go back into the early centuries. One may certainly believe it comes from the way of the Cross and one may also believe in a woman who wiped his face and even call her Veronica.

But the stories of Veronica are pious legends.

This should not trouble you. The stations are a devotional aid, and the number and content of the stations have varied greatly through the years. Stations erected in churches only dates from the 1700s.
 
St Veronica’s witness would have come from 1st generation Christians that knew of the event, or it would have been directly witnessed by Mary #1, Mary #2, Mary #3 & St John that saw Veronica’s work of mercy.
But it did not.
 
It appears that the ultimate source of the Veronica legend is the facial image that is found on the Shroud of Turin.
In about A.D. 30 king Abgar V of Edessa heard of a healer and teacher in Israel. He sent a messenger to find this healer and to invite him to Edessa to live there under his protection.
The messenger found Jesus who declined the invitation to Edessa, but promised to send a disciple to heal the king. Later, the disciple Thomas commissioned Thaddeus (one of the seventy) to go to Edessa and there the king summoned him.
When entering the king’s presence, Thaddeus held up a cloth which bore Jesus’ facial image. Upon seeing this, the king was immediately healed of his disease. Edessa became the first Christian city.

After the death of Abgar V, the sacred cloth was hidden and sealed in the west gate of Edessa where it remained until the early 6th century then becoming known as the Image of Edessa “made without hands” (meaning that it was miraculous in its formation.) Shroud researchers theorize that in ancient times a bloody burial cloth was regarded as an abhorrent, unclean thing and that, because of this, only the facial portion of the image bearing cloth was ever exhibited.

In 944 Emperor Romanos Lecapenos extracted the Image of Edessa though the payment of a large sum of silver and the threat of force.
The Sacred Cloth formally entered Constantinople on August 16th, 944 where it became known as the Holy Mandylion.
Iconography is a Byzantine tradition and, of course, many icons of the Mandylion were made and continue to be made to this day. A true or “vera” icon would be one that was made from direct observation of the Mandylion and then touched to the sacred cloth. Some of these true icons or “vera iconica” made their way to the Roman Church and to the Vatican itself. Yes, there were more than one, and at some point the Vatican had to intervene to settle the question as to which one was the true “Veronica.”*

How the Sacred Image of our Lord came to be imprinted on the cloth was not understood in ancient times. The linen was never fully exhibited, only the facial portion was shown.
If anyone knew that that it was in fact a burial cloth, they kept quiet about that fact. Thus many myths were invented to explain it. One was that Abgar V’s messenger was attempting to draw a portrait of Jesus when Jesus stopped him and held up the canvas to His face leaving a likeness. Another was that Jesus held a cloth to His face when praying so intensely in the garden. But these ideas fail to explain the blood and the facial bruising.

The Veronica story does better of course. Its flaw is that the ever present religious authorities would have immediately and forcefully confiscated any such image bearing cloth as both contrary to Jewish Law and inimical to their interests.
However, the Veronica theory was such an improvement over earlier postulations that you will find on some Eastern Church Mandylion icons a small representation of Station Six along with the representations of Thaddeus meeting Abgar V and the west gate of Edessa. I other words the Legend of Veronica, formed in the West, made its way back to the East!

*“HOLY FACES, SECRET PLACES,” Wilson, 1991
Hooray for icons. WOW!
 
Where was the “trashing?” All I saw was a statement of fact. Surely a parallel situation with “St. Christopher.”
I was thinking the same about St. Christopher. There was a real person who carried Christ across the river. I heard his name wasn’t Christopher but he was always after that referred to as Christ-bearer. I’m forgetting much of the story…
 
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