Where does your soul go during surgery?

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Hello! My mother recently underwent surgery to remove the fetus from her womb which unfortunately died (miscarriage). This was her first time having a surgery of sorts, or well being put under anesthetics completely. She says that one moment she was breathing and that the next she was awake and the surgery had already happened. This immediately worried me because shouldn’t she have some consciousness at all times??? If she does have a soul, where did it go during the hour or so she was under? Please understand, I’m not an atheist, but merely a hopeful nonbeliever. If I could find the answers to these questions, it would relieve a great amount of fear. Thank you!
 
dani9357 said:
She says that one moment she was breathing and that the next she was awake and the surgery had already happened.
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Sounds like what happened to me when I went to sleep last night: one moment I was breathing, and the next, I was awake!😉
 
😛 Well, yes. Then I guess the better question is, what happens to your soul during sleep? I tend to view the human soul as consciousness. So shouldn’t we have a spark of consciousness at all times? Somebody please tell me if I’m wrong.
 
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😛 Well, yes. Then I guess the better question is, what happens to your soul during sleep? I tend to view the human soul as consciousness. So shouldn’t we have a spark of consciousness at all times? Somebody please tell me if I’m wrong.
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One way to think about it, is to think about your dreams. Sometimes you might dream, but you don’t remember exactly what happened in your dream. That doesn’t mean that you were not conscious of your dream, but merely that you don’t remember.

Another thing: consciousness can take many different forms. The consciousness of daily, waking life is one type of consciousness. In sleep, your consciousness might take another form, a form that exists on a much deeper level, without ceasing to exist entirely. If your consciousness ceased to exist entirely, one might argue, then you would be dead.
 
Having a soul doesn’t mean you are conscious all of the time. What your mom described is very typical of people having surgery. Perhaps the surgery your mom had they used what’s known as twilight anesthesia, which means they aren’t as under as people under full sedation. However, a person under twilight is pretty much completely under and unable to feel or remember anything about the actual procedure itself.

During the surgery her soul remained where it will until she dies and that’s with her body.

ChadS
 
So, hypethetically speaking, when we get to heaven, there will be moments where we are and aren’t conscious?
 
Ahimsa said:
Another thing: consciousness can take many different forms. The consciousness of daily, waking life is one type of consciousness. In sleep, your consciousness might take another form, a form that exists on a much deeper level, without ceasing to exist entirely. If your consciousness ceased to exist entirely, one might argue, then you would be dead.
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So, is consciousness only something for the living? Maybe I’m misconstruing your message, seeing as how you stated “one might argue.”
 
dani9357 said:
So, is consciousness only something for the living? Maybe I’m misconstruing your message, seeing as how you stated “one might argue.”
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A dead person’s body is no longer associated with that person’s consciousness; the consciousness has separated itself from the body. So, in that sense, only living bodies have consciousness.
 
dani9357 said:
So, hypethetically speaking, when we get to heaven, there will be moments where we are and aren’t conscious?
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I believe in heaven, we will remain fully conscious without interruption. Though I wouldn’t mind a nap now and then.😃
 
dani9357 said:
. She says that one moment she was breathing and that the next she was awake and the surgery had already happened. This immediately worried me because shouldn’t she have some consciousness at all times??? !
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of course not, that is the purpose of anesthesia during surgery, so you are not conscious and hence do not feel pain, which raises bp and stress and hamper the success of the operation. The soul stays with the body as long as the body lives, Consciousness is not the soul, life is the soul. The body does not die during anesthesia, the conscious merely sleeps as does the deeper level of sensory (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
The soul does not go anywhere during surgery because spiritual realities are not located in time and space! Truth, goodness, freedom, justice and love are not restricted to a specific moment or place…
 
Your soul stays right inside you body, because it is the life, and you remain alive. Only if you die will the soul leave your body.

Unconsciousness is not the same as sleep. In sleep, your senses still work (although you are not using them) and so you can be awakened by sounds, smells, etc. In unconsciousness, your senses stop working (anesthesia = “no perception”) including the sense of pain (that’s the point) and the sense of time.

ICXC NIKA.
 
puzzleannie said:
of course not, that is the purpose of anesthesia during surgery, so you are not conscious and hence do not feel pain, which raises bp and stress and hamper the success of the operation. The soul stays with the body as long as the body lives, Consciousness is not the soul, life is the soul. The body does not die during anesthesia, the conscious merely sleeps as does the deeper level of sensory (name removed by moderator)ut.
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Ahimsa said:
A dead person’s body is no longer associated with that person’s consciousness; the consciousness has separated itself from the body. So, in that sense, only living bodies have consciousness.
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That’s true, because without the brainstem in operation, the human body can have no consciousness. When it stops working in death, that is the end of your mortal consciousness. You will “awaken” in your pneumatikon soma.

ICXC NIKA!
 
Ahimsa said:
I believe in heaven, we will remain fully conscious without interruption. Though I wouldn’t mind a nap now and then.😃
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You aren’t unconscious while asleep; you simply aren’t using your limbs or eyes. Your mind is even more active (at leat in REM) than while you are awake (dreaming, etc). Though whether we would need dreams once we have full access to the mind of our LORD is a hard question.

I don’t know whether our pneumatikon soma will sleep or not. But we will definitely not be unconscious. Sleep is a normal mind-state of human life; unconsciousness is not.

ICXC NIKA.
 
My complete condolences for the loss of your sibling. May God grant you the grace to preserve during this time of suffering.

Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women, and Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death.

Amen.
 
Ahimsa said:
So, if I stop moving and close my eyes, I’m sleeping?
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Well, if you stay that way long enough, you’ll fall asleep 🙂

you are in a different state of consciousness while asleep, just not fully unconscious.

ICXC NIKA
 
I don’t mean to prod, but who’s to say death isn’t like those moments when you’re under during surgery?
 
The whole point of being put to sleep is so you are totally unaware of what is happening. For a lot of surgeries you definitely do not want to be aware of anything, pain or otherwise.
 
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