Where Have All The Apostates And Anti-Mormons Gone?

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mfbukowski said:
As much as I disagree with evangelicals, they GET the “born again” experience. Catholics just don’t. They are born going to church once a week and putting $5. in the plate, and they die that way. For the most part there is no committment, no fire, no conversion. They believe it because it is old and they believe the tradition goes back for 2000 years so it must be true.
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And you know this how???
 
AMDGtoo said:
Regarding my post on my Mormon daughter ignoring her non-Mormon father on his birthday, mfbukowski wrote:
I’m not so sure. The Mormon children’s article “A Different Kind of Pioneer” by Heather Christensen (lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=3a1b6123a35bb010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1
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Sadly, another non-Christian cult (Jehovah’s Witnesses) encourages the same kind of behavior. When one joins this organization, if kin are not favorably disposed toward the cult, members are quietly encouraged to sever ties with them. mormons refer to non-mormons as “gentiles” and if not favorably disposed, are gradually moved out of orbit. “Christian?” I don’t think so.
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mfbukowski said:
As much as I disagree with evangelicals, they GET the “born again” experience. Catholics just don’t. They are born going to church once a week and putting $5. in the plate, and they die that way. For the most part there is no committment, no fire, no conversion. They believe it because it is old and they believe the tradition goes back for 2000 years so it must be true.
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How audacious to judge the faith of others. The movement of the Holy Spirit acts in Catholics as it does in every human being on earth. What a disgusting thing to say.
 
mfbukowski said:
Oh gosh, who could you be talking about here? :cool: 😉
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mf,

Dozens of Mormons I’ve spoken with- including my past self, many intelligent and educated people. THe truth of the matter is Mormonism is tough to defend. It makes so very many bold claims, many bizarre (very unique and hence not defended elsewhere) that it becomes frustrating. Believe me, I’ve been there, a lot.
 
AMDGtoo said:
Regarding my post on my Mormon daughter ignoring her non-Mormon father on his birthday, mfbukowski wrote:

I’m not so sure. The Mormon children’s article “A Different Kind of Pioneer” by Heather Christensen (lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=3a1b6123a35bb010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1) seems to be encouraging children to be these “different kind of pioneers”. It “glowingly” describes to children how converts to the Mormon church are this “different kind of pioneer” because the converts “showed the way” to be a good Mormon by putting the LDS church before their families and marrying in the temple when no one in their families could be there.

This article is from Friends magazine (and LDS magazine for children) and the lesson is taught in Primary (like an LDS CCD). Lessons are also taught in other places–perhaps in the Relief Society (is that part of the Sunday block along with what is called “Sacrament”?), the magazine the Ensign magazine and more. The fact is there is no central source of doctrine. You have all sorts of teachings from many sources, including some ward bishops
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If a ward bishop taught false doctrine, he would be excommunicated. Pure and simple. There are commonly stake representatives at meetings, and the members themselves know the doctrine. This is fantasy.

Regarding your article, you imply that children are encouraged to abandon their parents. That is blatantly false. The article says nothing of the kind, and infact ends with an example of family unity. Yes adult children can differ in religion from their parents and raise their families in the religion they wish. Do you disagree with that?

Your daughter is obviously an adult, or could not have been baptized mormon. You insist on picking your adult children’s religion?

We believe in free agency and freedom of religion

Every lesson taught throughout the church is the same and is taught out of standardized manuals. Anything you assert to the contrary is a lie.

The lessons and manuals are available at lds.org
 
mfbukowski said:
If a ward bishop taught false doctrine, he would be excommunicated.

mormonism consists of false doctrine, why are they all not excommunicated?
We believe in free agency and freedom of religion
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As long as it does not conflict with the Party line, then you are in trouble.
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AMDGtoo said:
Regarding my post on my Mormon daughter ignoring her non-Mormon father on his birthday, mfbukowski wrote:

I’m not so sure. The Mormon children’s article “A Different Kind of Pioneer” by Heather Christensen (lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=21bc9fbee98db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=3a1b6123a35bb010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1) seems to be encouraging children to be these “different kind of pioneers”. It “glowingly” describes to children how converts to the Mormon church are this “different kind of pioneer” because the converts “showed the way” to be a good Mormon by putting the LDS church before their families and marrying in the temple when no one in their families could be there.

This article is from Friends magazine (and LDS magazine for children) and the lesson is taught in Primary (like an LDS CCD). Lessons are also taught in other places–perhaps in the Relief Society (is that part of the Sunday block along with what is called “Sacrament”?), the magazine the Ensign magazine and more. The fact is there is no central source of doctrine. You have all sorts of teachings from many sources, including some ward bishops
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Here is a link to a manual for kids I picked at random. You can see that each sunday has specified lessons which are very clearly defined

lds.org/library/display/0,4945,7958-1-4337-1,00.html
 
Believe_85 said:
How audacious to judge the faith of others. The movement of the Holy Spirit acts in Catholics as it does in every human being on earth. What a disgusting thing to say.
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I did not mean to offend, but this has been my own experience of Catholics, even when I was one.
 
mfbukowski said:
I did not mean to offend, but this has been my own experience of Catholics, even when I was one.
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Sorry you had that experience, but please refrain from stereotyping. Everyone on this forum has a right to disagree with doctrine and beliefs but we are not to start questioning the fervor of our commitment to God.
 
mfbukowski said:
As much as I disagree with evangelicals, they GET the “born again” experience. Catholics just don’t. They are born going to church once a week and putting $5. in the plate, and they die that way. For the most part there is no committment, no fire, no conversion. They believe it because it is old and they believe the tradition goes back for 2000 years so it must be true.
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mf,
Just because you were a lazy and unfaithful Catholic, don’t assume that I am.
 
mfbukowski said:
I did not mean to offend, but this has been my own experience of Catholics, even when I was one.
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If you were Catholic, then you are Catholic ad aeternum. As a Catholic who has left Christianity for Mormonism you are now officially an apostate.
 
mfbukowski said:
I did not mean to offend, but this has been my own experience of Catholics, even when I was one.
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What do you make of those who become nuns, monks and priests? Do they not ‘get it’, that is, the religious fire? The commitment that takes is unmatched in Mormonism. Don’t you think you’re being unfair?
 
mfbukowski said:
Here is a link to a manual for kids I picked at random. You can see that each sunday has specified lessons which are very clearly defined

lds.org/library/display/0,4945,7958-1-4337-1,00.html
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Gospel Principles also has lessons that are CLEARLY DEFINED, and here’s one for YOU to study: lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-59,00.html

If you have issues with that current Mormon teaching, or don’t believe it to be a valid Mormon teaching, you’ll have to take it up with your own hierarchy. It is what it is.

Dude, how long have you been a Mormon?
 
nebula said:
What do you make of those who become nuns, monks and priests? Do they not ‘get it’, that is, the religious fire? The commitment that takes is unmatched in Mormonism. Don’t you think you’re being unfair?
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That’s ironic that you mention that because we all wear “habits”.

I get your point and stand corrected.
 
nebula said:
mf,

Dozens of Mormons I’ve spoken with- including my past self, many intelligent and educated people. THe truth of the matter is Mormonism is tough to defend. It makes so very many bold claims, many bizarre (very unique and hence not defended elsewhere) that it becomes frustrating. Believe me, I’ve been there, a lot.
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I’d love to have a long talk with my past self too. 😉 👍
 
RC_Matt said:
Gospel Principles also has lessons that are CLEARLY DEFINED, and here’s one for YOU to study: lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-59,00.html

If you have issues with that current Mormon teaching, or don’t believe it to be a valid Mormon teaching, you’ll have to take it up with your own hierarchy. It is what it is.

Dude, how long have you been a Mormon?
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I am trying to be restrained, but it is hard. 😊

I have been a member 30 years. I have no problem with the doctrine of exaltation. It is my fondest dream. I don’t know why you thought I did. Read post 187. That is what we are discussing.

See guys? I CAN be charitable.
 
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