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So just because your religion says that the Peter was the Pope, you’re just going to believe it? I’ll stick with the Word of God.
Where in the bible does it say that "Baptism" washes away our original sin?
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Yes, but what are you trying to say? I’ve read it and am willing to discuss it. What’s your interpretation?How about ALL of John 6, not just selective verses ?
In fact, how about reading John 6 and trying to ignore all the Chapters and verses - in the way it was originally penned… read it like a love letter to you. That way the flow of the Words of Christ will be direct… especially when He uses Amen, Amen, or Truly Truly to give an oath to His Words.
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The Bible says he was the first Pope… So if the word of God says it, then how are you sticking with it? I don’t understand… The first members of the Catholic Church were the ones who collected the teachings of Jesus and put them into words, that’s not disputable it is proven by succession and history…
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No it doesn’t. Where in the Bible does it say that Peter was the first Pope? Why not post your verses to prove it?
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Our interpretations, like yours, are not relevant. The Church says, and I fully agree with the Bride of Christ, that unless we eat our Lord’s flesh and drink His blood we cannot have eternal life.
The Church proclaims it. The Bible says it. That’s enough for me.
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Thank you… you saved much time. The point I was going to make was that I don’t have a “my” interpretation. Scripture warns us of “self-interpretation”.
Additionally, no part of Scripture will contradict another, agree? So if you have two verses (example, the ones you are quoting), and 1st Peter ("… baptism now saves you…"), they will not contradict if they are properly interpreted…
Jesus gave that authority ("…he who hears you, hears Me…") to Peter, and to the Twelve… not you and I.
We are obliged to study what the One Church presents… and they present it after much study by the Church Fathers, the Bishops, etc.
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to your original Thread Title…
The Bible does not “say” anything
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Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
I believe in my heart and confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He died, was buried, and rose again by the power of God.
How exactly am I not a Christian? I’d like to hear what your religion teaches you on that.
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Again, Book, Chapter, AND Verses please to prove your point. ThanksThank you… you saved much time. The point I was going to make was that I don’t have a “my” interpretation. Scripture warns us of “self-interpretation”.
Additionally, no part of Scripture will contradict another, agree? So if you have two verses (example, the ones you are quoting), and 1st Peter ("… baptism now saves you…"), they will not contradict if they are properly interpreted…
Jesus gave that authority ("…he who hears you, hears Me…") to Peter, and to the Twelve… not you and I.
We are obliged to study what the One Church presents… and they present it after much study by the Church Fathers, the Bishops, etc.
So…
to your original Thread Title…
The Bible does not “say” anything
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you are most likely a Christian. When you were baptised, it was into the Body of Christ… as are all who receive that Sacrament correctly.
But having the Fullness of the Faith available to you… and using it, are two different things.
In many families, we can see some children who are totally receptive to the teachings of mom and dad. Others accept some, and reject others. And still others reject it all. And still others understand the clear teaching, but do the opposite.
In the Church we would refere to the middle two as separated brethren… and the last as a heretic.
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That’s the problem. The Bible doesn’t say it. Not one of you here has proven that Baptism washes away original sin. First you’ll have to prove that we still have original sin, then you’ll have to prove that baptism washes it away.
By the way, thanks for my very own thread. I’m sure I’ll enjoy this.
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The OP already posted it. Where’s your response?
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Yes, most likely… because I do not know your heart or your reason(s) for rejecting Catholicism. When you walked away, He let you. When you return all the saints in heaven will be joyful.
Catholicism is not “my” religion. It is the name given by men to the only Church founded by Jesus Himself.
“…I will build my Church…” It is His, He builds it, and there is only one.
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1 Peter is referring to the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
Paul is NOT talking about the “putting away of the filth of the flesh”. That’s water baptism.
Paul says…
1Cr 1:17 For Christ sent me NOT TO BAPTIZE, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
John the Baptist said…
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
1Pe 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21
The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
By the resurrection of Jesus Christ, we are baptized by the Holy Ghost which now saves us. NOT WATER.
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Even assuming it’s true the Bible never says it, why should that bother you? As a Protestant fundamentalist, you believe all sorts of things that not only aren’t in the Bible, but are flatly contradicted by the Bible – starting with sola scriptura.
Incidentally, when are you going to come to grips with the fact that as a fundamentalist, your primary objective is to snatch wayward Catholics from the jaws of hell, and you’re never going to reach us by being snotty and offensive?
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Sola Scriptura is my friend. Allow me to end your debate regarding Sola Scriptura. The Word goes beyond sola scriptura if you hate reproof, the Word of God says you shall die.
Hbr 4:12
For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
2Ti 3:16
ALL scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Pro 15:10
Correction [is] grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: [and] HE THAT HATETH REPROOF SHALL DIE.
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That’s it? That’s the big refutation? Where is the authority for such an interpretation of a verse that is clearly talking about baptism by water?
[sign]First of all, you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. 2 Peter 1:20-21[/sign]
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