Where in the bible does it say that "Baptism" washes away our original sin?

[believers]

Even assuming it’s true the Bible never says it, why should that bother you? As a Protestant fundamentalist, you believe all sorts of things that not only aren’t in the Bible, but are flatly contradicted by the Bible – starting with sola scriptura.

Incidentally, when are you going to come to grips with the fact that as a fundamentalist, your primary objective is to snatch wayward Catholics from the jaws of hell, and you’re never going to reach us by being snotty and offensive?

That’s interesting, because I’ve done nothing but quote scriptures. I’m hoping that it will bare witness with your spirit. Y’know, if I didn’t care, I wouldn’t be here. It’s only because I want everyone to know what the Word of God says. I don’t preach the cross for my own glory.

 

[Victorious]

That’s interesting, because I’ve done nothing but quote scriptures. If I do it right, I’m hoping that it will bare witness with your spirit. Y’know, if I didn’t care, I wouldn’t be here. It’s only because I want everyone to know what the Word of God says. I don’t preach the cross for my own glory.

Well, you may not like it, but here are some more things the Bible says:

1 Peter 3:20-21:

First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,

because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
2 Peter 3:15-16:

So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,

speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.2 Thessalonians 2:15:

So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

1 Corinthians 11:2:

I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.

 

[runandsew]

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:1-4
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Ephesians 5: 25-27
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Colossians 2:11-14
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

1 Peter 3:18-22
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

That’s the problem. The Bible doesn’t say it. Not one of you here has proven that Baptism washes away original sin. First you’ll have to prove that we still have original sin, then you’ll have to prove that baptism washes it away.

Even if you pretend that original sin doesn’t exist lying is still a sin. For your sake, please stop lying.

CDL

 

[MrS]

There is no conflict in the Scripture quotes by believers or by others… IF THEY ARE INTERPRETED CORRECTLY.

The only authority to do so was given to Peter, along with the authority to pass it on…in the Church alone.

It is the office of Peter that has the responsibility to Feed My Sheep, Tend My Sheep, Feed My Sheep… not me… and not believers

 

[MrS]

That’s the problem. The Bible doesn’t say it. Not one of you here has proven that Baptism washes away original sin. First you’ll have to prove that we still have original sin, then you’ll have to prove that baptism washes it away.

By the way, thanks for my very own thread. I’m sure I’ll enjoy this.

??? Prove that we still have original sin??? You mean that some of us may not be decendants of Adam and Eve, and the sin of Adam is no longer ours??

Even Mary was a decendant … thankfully in God’s Plan, her sin was removed before conception. But that is for another dozen threads… back to topic.

believers… where you born with original sin (and of course the consequences of it like sickness, death, concupisence etc??)

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[GregoryPalamas]

??? Prove that we still have original sin??? You mean that some of us may not be decendants of Adam and Eve, and the sin of Adam is no longer ours??

Even Mary was a decendant … thankfully in God’s Plan, her sin was removed before conception. But that is for another dozen threads… back to topic.

believers… where you born with original sin (and of course the consequences of it like sickness, death, concupisence etc??)

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Maybe believer has never been sick, fallen into temptation, or will not ever physically die. Maybe.

CDL

 

[runandsew]

Oh, I get it. If you deny Original sin, then there is no need for baptism to wash away original sin, and therefore there is no need for infant baptism.


Here is a link:
To Explain Infant Baptism You Must Explain Original Sin
By John S. Martignoni

 

[Mr_Jullien]

Actually, the Bible is **not **the Sole and/or Final Authority.
Jesus Christ is the SOLE and/or FINAL Authority and the Complete “WORD of God”, **NOT **the Bible. (Which, BTW: was given to the world by the Holy Catholic Church)
So let’s get that straight, right off the bat.

The *implication *of “Original Sin” can be found in the following passages and in no way is contradictory to Sacred Scripture.
Note: Any and all emphasis on the following Scripture quotations and commentaries are mine, unless stated otherwise.

****Psalm 51:5-7

***** 5* Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity; And in sin did my mother conceive me.

• 6* Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts; And in the hidden part thou wilt make me to know wisdom.
• 7* Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

and here:

**Romans 5:12-19
** 12 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned:–
13 for until the law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam’s transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the trespass, so also is the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.
16 And not as through one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment came of one unto condemnation, but the free gift came of many trespasses unto justification.
17 For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one; much more shall they that receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, even Jesus Christ.
18 So then as through one trespass the judgment came unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness the free gift came unto all men to justification of life.
19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the one shall the many be made righteous.

Commentary on the above:

“The holy, righteous God, cannot be at peace with a sinner, while under the guilt of sin. Justification takes away the guilt, and so makes way for peace. This is through our Lord Jesus Christ; through him as the great Peace-maker, the Mediator between God and man. The saints’ happy state is a state of grace. Into this grace we are brought, which teaches that we are not born in this state.”
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The following passages not only prove that Jesus Christ instituted the Sacrament of Baptism, but He also **commanded **that it be observed. While the word, “Sacrament” is not stated *explicitly, *nevertheless, the **command **is quite clear:

Matthew 28:18-20 18 And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth.
19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.

Sorry, but there's no way our Lord's Command can be disputed, here.   His Words are crystal clear.

**John 4**   *1 * When therefore the Lord  knew that the Pharisees had heard that **Jesus was making and baptizing** more  disciples than John 
*2* (although Jesus  himself baptized not, but his disciples),

3 he left Judea, and departed again into Galilee.

Due to lack of space, the necessity for Baptism in cleansing us of “Original Sin” will be in my next post.

 

[Mr_Jullien]

Continued…

The following passages show how Baptism cleanses us from “Original Sin” or the “Sin of Adam”, if you prefer:

Acts 2:36-4136 Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do?
38 And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. **
39 For to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call unto him.
40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation.
41 They then that received his word were baptized: and there were added unto them in that day about three thousand souls.
Acts 22:14-1614 And he said, The God of our fathers hath appointed thee to know his will, and to see the Righteous One, and to hear a voice from his mouth.
15 For thou shalt be a witness for him unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on his name.

Again, the Sacrament of Baptism for the cleansing of “Original Sin”, in no way contradicts Sacred Scripute; nor is it a “man-made” tradition, as I have shown in both of my posts on this board. That is; unless one considers Jesus Christ, the Son of God, just a mere man.

PAX,

Jullien

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Mr. Jullien, that is a fine summary.

runandsew, you have hit the nail on the head.

CDL

 

[Mr_Jullien]

Mr. Jullien, that is a fine summary.

runandsew, you have hit the nail on the head.

CDL

Thanks Gregory, but I did nothing but paste irrefutable text from Sacred Scripture, which was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

All Glory and Honour to God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen.

PAX,

Jullien

 

[Milliardo]

The Word of God says that the blood of Jesus “cleansed us from ALL sin”. If we no longer have original sin, how can water baptism wash away what is no longer there? It’s contradictory to what Jesus did on the cross.

1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from ALL sin.

Again, we must take Scripture as a whole, not in parts; if 1 Peter 3:21 says it’s so, and then you bring in passages that seemingly contradict it, then there is seemingly a contradiction somewhere. However, the Church doesn’t see it that way, and so studies those passages, and realizes that there is really no contradiction—the efficacy of baptism flows from that saving grace of Jesus’ death and resurrection. Please note–it is Jesus’ death and resurrection which makes baptism efficient.

 

[Mr_Jullien]

Again, we must take Scripture as a whole, not in parts; if 1 Peter 3:21 says it’s so, and then you bring in passages that seemingly contradict it, then there is seemingly a contradiction somewhere. However, the Church doesn’t see it that way, and so studies those passages, and realizes that there is really no contradiction—the efficacy of baptism flows from that saving grace of Jesus’ death and resurrection. Please note–it is Jesus’ death and resurrection which makes baptism efficient.

Absolutely.
That goes without saying and should be understood by **all **Christians, no matter their denomination.

Without the Blood of Christ: His Passion, death on the Cross and resurrection, **nothing **has efficacy.

PAX,

Jullien

 

[AlegreFe]

Oh, I get it. If you deny Original sin, then there is no need for baptism to wash away original sin, and therefore there is no need for infant baptism.

Oh dear How can you deny original sin? We don’t have the power to do that. Your statement makes NO SENSE whatsoever. Just think about. That is why we have baptism, infant or otherwise, so that God can wipe clean what we cannot. think think… think think.

 

[Victorious]

Oh dear How can you deny original sin? We don’t have the power to do that. Your statement makes NO SENSE whatsoever. Just think about. That is why we have baptism, infant or otherwise, so that God can wipe clean what we cannot. think think… think think.

Think think… think think: runandsew’s point was precisely that this does not make sense.

 

[runandsew]

I believe in Original sin.

I was pointing out what the real intention behind the thread’s question might be.

Sometimes an innocent question like this can cause doubt, and this doubt can grow, and affect other aspects of the faith.

Therefore if you have doubt about original sin, or the fact that baptism cleanses original sin, then this could affect your belief in infant baptism.

This article explains it a little bit.

 

[ricko]

Baptism is necessary for salvation because 1 Peter 3:21 also says “baptism . . . now saves you.” Jesus as the only Savior uses the waters of baptism to save people from their sins. Further, our Lord once said, “He who believes and is baptized will be saved” (Mark 16:16).

The Catholic doctrine of baptism unites the symbol and the reality. It is because of the union of the symbol—water—with the reality—the Holy Spirit—that the apostle Peter can say, “baptism now saves you.” It is the same idea as Jesus said in John 3:5, “Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” Being born of the water and the Spirit is an explanation of what he says in verse 3, “Unless one is born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

You tend to place separations and divisions in biblical texts. We Catholics believe that when we baptize a person, God is baptizing the person through our hands, our agency. Notice that Ezekiel 36:25–26 says that God gives the sprinkled person “a new heart” and “a new spirit.” Isn’t this the same as what Jesus says when he speaks of being born again of the water and the Spirit? Furthermore, when Ezekiel says that the person will be cleansed from all impurities and idols, isn’t this the same kind of cleansing that Ananias told Paul when he said, “Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his [the Lord’s] name” (Acts 22:16)?

Catholic Answers

 

[ricko]

MARTIN LUTHER

( SIXTEENTH-CENTURY FOUNDER OF LUTHERANISM)

“*t is solemnly and strictly commanded that we must be baptized or we shall not be saved. . . . To be baptized in God’s name is to be baptized not by men but by God himself. Although it is performed by men’s hands, it is nevertheless truly God’s own act. From this fact everyone can easily conclude that it is of much greater value than the work of any man or saint. . . . Therefore it is sheer wickedness and devilish blasphemy when our ‘new spirits’ [Anabaptists], in order to slander baptism, ignore God’s word and ordinance and consider nothing but the water drawn from the well and then babble, ‘How can a handful of water help the soul?’” (Long Catechism 4).

DALE MOODY

(TWENTIETH-CENTURY BAPTIST)

“A baptismal hymn in Titus 3:4–7 is thelocus classicus on baptism in relation to regeneration . . . Baptism in relation to the whole process of salvation brings further focus on the primacy of faith. Another baptismal hymn found in 1 Peter 3:18–22 does indeed declare that, after the antitype of Noah’s flood, ‘baptism now saves’” (The Word of Truth, 466)

JAMES McCLENDON, JR

(TWENTIETH-CENTURY BAPTIST)

“How can some gallons of water (and some words) make outsiders insiders, beget anew, banish sin, merge our lives with the risen One’s life, transmit God’s Holy Spirit? How can any rite admit, or convert, or identify, or endue?. . . It will not be enough to point out that it is God and not the Christian assembly, God and not the candidate, who does these things, for while in Scripture the believer, the community, Christ, and the Spirit are all depicted as active agents in baptism, Scripture also speaks of the baptismal act itself as effectual (cf. Luke 3:16, 1 Cor. 1:14ff, Acts 2:38, with 1 Pet. 3:21)” (Systematic Theology: Doctrine, 387)

R. BEASLEY-MURRAY

(TWENTIETH-CENTURY BAPTIST)

“The rite of baptism is not only God’s appointed way of his either bestowing or confirming the gift of the Holy Spirit (i.e., regeneration) and of our entering into the church of Christ, but it is also the means by which the new Christian testifies to having been born from above and converted to the Lord Jesus Christ” (Born Again: A Biblical and Theological Study of Regeneration, 188).

HOWARD ERVIN

(TWENTIETH-CENTURY PENTECOSTAL)

“As Noah and his family were saved through water, so baptism, as the fulfillment of the Noachian type, ‘now saves you’ [1 Pet. 3:21]. . . . The salvific event of baptism involves more than the baptismal confession of faith. It is through the resurrection that God’s saving power is extended to mankind. The convert’s baptismal confession is rendered efficacious through the resurrection of Jesus Christ ‘into whose death and resurrection we were baptized.’ Baptism is, therefore, more than an expression of ‘man’s repentance and/or faith to God’” (Conversion, Initiation and the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, 157f).*

 

[AlegreFe]

Think think… think think: runandsew’s point was precisely that this does not make sense.

Sorry.

I believe in Original sin.

I was pointing out what the real intention behind the thread’s question might be.

Sometimes an innocent question like this can cause doubt, and this doubt can grow, and affect other aspects of the faith.

Therefore if you have doubt about original sin, or the fact that baptism cleanses original sin, then this could affect your belief in infant baptism.

:yup: True, very true.

I shouldn’t have been hasty in quoting and replying. That’s what I get for turning on this 'puter knowing I won’t have time 'cause I have to be somewhere.

Yes, what is being washed away at infant baptism is Original Sin. And when someone gets baptized as an adult, their sins get wiped away completely, Original and their own. Wow, God is GREAT!