Where in the Bible does Jesus say I am god Worship me?

[ALotLessThumb]

Thanks for everybody who shared in this thread but you guys have not given verses where Jesus explicitly say that I am God worship me.

Accordingly in the Day of Judgment after we die he will not ask us why we did not workshop him because simply he did not say worship me.

While Allah will ask you why you did not worship me despite he clearly ordered to worship him in many verses in Quran.

The conclusion is that Jesus was no more than prophet brought the monotheism which all previous prophets taught.
Allah is the one who deserve to worship him without any partner.

Peace…

The problem is that God does not have to “order” anyone around. God wants us to worship him because He loves us:

“for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.”

His Covenants are gifts, beneficial for us; but through His True Love- he allows us to reject even that which may be beneficial. In that way, God does not punish us; but we punish ourselves. It is truly a matter of not being on the same page, my impression of Islam is one where God demands obedience before even love, whereas in Christianity, God demands love and from that shall the fruits of obedience grow. If the former is correct, it would not leave much room for those who go through periods of doubt (Saint Thomas) or struggle with God (Jacob) or even act cowardly at points (Jonah, Saint Peter.) Would not these fathers be punished in such a system?

To me, it leaves little room for repentance or the unique expression of every individual- though we should strive to be, we cannot always mimic the way Job handled adversity, and God understands that and is willing to “struggle” with us.

And this is perfectly encapsulated in the Passion of our Lord and Savior, the Son of God, begotten not made. He took up the Cross on our behalf- to benefit us- and He has given us the choice to do the same and follow. So it would make no sense for Jesus to demand followers, when He knows that those who open their hearts will naturally do so.

And for these reasons, Jesus Christ will never be so demanding as to satisfy your inquiry.

 

[papaspicy]

Where in the Bible does Jesus Say “I am god worship me”

This statement is never directly spoken by Jesus because it would make no sense for him to do so. All Jesus must say is I am God, and then it is up to you whether you will worship him or not. If you believe in what he has said, then the logical conclusion would be to worship him.

When Jesus is on trial before the high priest and he refers to himself as I AM, the reaction of the high priest clearly shows that the religious authority at the time recognized that Jesus was equating himself to God.

Mark 14:60-64 - The high priest rose before the assembly and questioned Jesus, saying, “Have you no answer? What are these men testifying against you?” But he was silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him and said to him, “Are you the Messiah, the son of the Blessed One?” Then Jesus answered, “I AM; and ‘you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.’” At that the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further need have we of witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as deserving to die.

In refering to himself as I AM and the Son of Man, Jesus is claiming directly that God has become man, and that he is that God-Man.

I am not talking about what Paul, Matthew,mark, luke and John said I want it from the horses mouth.

The reverend Professor David Jenkins Bishop of Durham even openly said that Jesus was not GOD.

So where Did JESUS say he was GOD

Peace…

Why would you refuse the testimony of Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, but then accept the word of the Anglican Bishop David Jenkins?

And as an aside:

I want it from the horses mouth.

The conclusion is that Jesus was no more than prophet brought the monotheism which all previous prophets taught.

Peace…

Do Muslim’s regularly refer to their prophets as horses?
(Just kidding )

Peace be with you.

 

[Montalban]

And as an aside:

Do Muslim’s regularly refer to their prophets as horses?

They don’t have a high opinion of horses…

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 30:
Narrated Abdullah bin ‘Umar:
Allah’s Apostle said, "Evil omen is in the women, the house and the horse.’
zawaj.com/articles/sahihbukhari.html
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 31:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Evil omen was mentioned before the Prophet: The Prophet said, “If there is evil omen in anything, it is in the house, the woman and the horse.”
(Ibid)
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 32:
Narrated Sahl bin Sad:
Allah’s Apostle said, “If at all there is bad omen, it is in the horse, the woman, and the house.”
(Ibid)
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33:
Narrated Usama bin Zaid:
The Prophet said, “After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women.”
(Ibid)

 

[Fidelis]

It amazes me how Moslem apologists think they can convince any educated person with such transparently one-sided tactics. Then again, remembering some of the stupid and childish propaganda Saddam Hussien used on his own people (remember his dopey spokesman who claimed victory even as coalition forces were taking Bagdhad?), maybe it works among themselves.

It kind of reminds me of the equally unsophisticated Iglesia ni Cristi cult in the Phillipines, which also preys on the uneducated and which claims to be the true Church of Christ with the following reasoning:

“If Jesus started a Church, it would be called “the Church of Christ.” Iglesia ni Cristi means “Church of Christ.” Therefore, *Iglesia ni Cristi *is the true Church of Christ.”

As my kids used to say: dot, dot. dot.

 

[artist3189]

Exodus 3:14 God replied, "I AM who am." Then he added, “This is what you shall tell the Israelites: I AM sent me to you.”
John 8:58-59 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM." So they picked up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid and went out of the temple area.

Luke 5:20-26 When he saw their faith, he said, "As for you, your sins are forgiven."Then the scribes and Pharisees began to ask themselves, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who but God alone can forgive sins?” Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them in reply, "What are you thinking in your hearts? Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins’’–he said to the man who was paralyzed, “I say to you, rise, pick up your stretcher, and go home.” He stood up immediately before them, picked up what he had been lying on, and went home, glorifying God. Then astonishment seized them all and they glorified God, and, struck with awe, they said, “We have seen incredible things today.”

John 18:3-8 So Judas got a band of soldiers and guards from the chief priests and the Pharisees and went there with lanterns, torches, and weapons. Jesus, knowing everything that was going to happen to him, went out and said to them, “Whom are you looking for?” They answered him, “Jesus the Nazorean.” He said to them, "I AM." Judas his betrayer was also with them. When he said to them, “I AM,” they turned away and fell to the ground. So he again asked them, “Whom are you looking for?” They said, “Jesus the Nazorean.” Jesus answered, “I told you that I AM. So if you are looking for me, let these men go.”

Mark 14:60-64 The high priest rose before the assembly and questioned Jesus, saying, “Have you no answer? What are these men testifying against you?” But he was silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him and said to him, “Are you the Messiah, the son of the Blessed One?” Then Jesus answered, "I AM; and ‘you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.’" At that the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further need have we of witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as deserving to die.

Right on the mark, this is how it would be said, relayed, attested to, he would not speak the words “I am God, worship me”… but show who and what he was through action, deed and word, tthroughout his mission as the Messiah of the OT Prophets. His statement “I** AM”**, cap letters, as put down by John, told the Old Testament Jews EXACTLY who he was, no if, ands or buts and if you had any real understanding of the Old Testament or Jewish History, you would not even ask this question. Why do you think the ‘Jews’ who heard him ‘fell to the ground’ or ‘tore their clothing’. They understood.

 

[artist3189]

Anyone notice how similar this is to Fundamentalist (Protestant) red herring tactics? Stack the deck; narrow parameters of what constitutes legitmate evidence, excluding other perfectly sound indications, etc… Embarassing…

Yes, yes, that’s it. This equals this, equals this, equals this, therefore, this… end of story. Total lack of understanding. He has no real interest in any explanation anyway, he thinks he’s provoking some ‘great philosophical or theological problem’ that can’t be answered, the great “stumper” for Christians. Someone told him, just say this, and you got em’, all other arguments are mute after this. OK,reality call! Do you think 2000 years of theology becomes undone because some boob posts a question and thinks he has figured out the loop hole to Christianity and therefore, Islam must be right. If this is the process they use to determine their beliefs, no one they are so easily misguided by Mullahs with an agenda, just follow the bouncing ball, follow the thread of logic or illlogic to whatever answer they are purposly lead to. Pathetic really.

 

[Lion_of_Narnia]

A rather excellent refutation of a common muslim “apologist” tactic–those some are the responses are leaving the boundries of charity–something I’ve been guilty of in the past, but perhaps we’re all a bit sensitive since 9/11.

lightofeyes hasn’t been responding for a while–which is also pretty typical once one’s logical errors are exposed as tautological sophistries, based on a tradition that rejects logical proof and refutation. From an inflated (perhaps confabulated) history of “tolerance” and intellectual inquiry while Europe was in the “Dark Ages”, the truth remains; the academic tradition of debate, standards of proof and disproof, the very foundations of science came from the Church’s Universities and NOT from Islamic schools.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

The Gospel of ST. JOHN 14: 1-7
14:1. Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God: believe also in me.
Non turbetur cor vestrum creditis in Deum et in me credite

14:2. In my Father’s house there are many mansions. If not, I would have told you: because I go to prepare a place for you.
In domo Patris mei mansiones multae sunt si quo minus dixissem vobis quia vado parare vobis locum

14:3. And if I shall go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself: that where I am, you also may be.
Et si abiero et praeparavero vobis locum iterum venio et accipiam vos ad me ipsum ut ubi sum ego et vos sitis

14:4. And whither I go you know: and the way you know.
Et quo ego vado scitis et viam scitis

14:5. Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest. And how can we know the way?
Dicit ei Thomas Domine nescimus quo vadis et quomodo possumus viam scire

14:6. Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.
Dicit ei Iesus ego sum via et veritas et vita nemo venit ad Patrem nisi per me

14:7. If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also: and from henceforth you shall know him. And you have seen him.

This is pretty clear that the Father and the Son are one.

Peace in the Lord

Scott

 

[prodromos]

John 20:24-31But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said to him, We have seen the Lord. But he said to them, Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and put my finger into the mark of the nails, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe. 26 And eight days after, his disciples were again within, and Thomas with them. Jesus comes, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst and said, Peace [be] to you. 27 Then he says to Thomas, Bring thy finger here and see my hands; and bring thy hand and put it into my side; and be not unbelieving, but believing. 28 Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus says to him, Because thou hast seen me thou hast believed: blessed they who have not seen and have believed. 30 Many other signs therefore also Jesus did before his disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye might have life in his name.

 

[swariffin]

Thanks for everybody who shared in this thread but you guys have not given verses where Jesus explicitly say that I am God worship me.

Accordingly in the Day of Judgment after we die he will not ask us why we did not workshop him because simply he did not say worship me.

While Allah will ask you why you did not worship me despite he clearly ordered to worship him in many verses in Quran.

The conclusion is that Jesus was no more than prophet brought the monotheism which all previous prophets taught.
Allah is the one who deserve to worship him without any partner.

Peace…

Dear Lightofeyes,

If I may answer your question. Jesus did not expressly said “I am the God, worship me”. That is the fundamental differences between Islam and Christianity. We, the Christian are supposed by God to use our entire creativity, intellectual quality and the outmost of our brain to receive God’s revelation. **We are not children that must be taught in exact written language **to determine the God’s meaning. That is why we are required to depend on the Holy Spirit for us to reveal what is the meaning of a given verses in our bible. Why did God gave us human being the intellectual brain differs than animal brain, if God must dictate everything in written language? Surely God gave us the intellectual quality to be used, not to be kept unused. To respond to your question, we do not need the exact word from the horse mouth to tell that Jesus is God. We are no children. We are required for reasoning, not to follow exact sets of instructions, especially from self-proclaimed sources. One more thing. We do not consider the bible as a legal document, so we do not read the bible just like lawyers do.

Now, please answer my question. If the Quran tells you everything, why do you have different branches of Islam, like the Sunni and Shiah, for example. Even in my country, we have Mohammadians and the Nahdlatul Ulemas, in which the Mohammadians stresses on the Quran only, while the later take both the Quran and the Hadits. Why the differences?. I hope you will not say that your branch is the most correct.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Aside from the “I Am” Quotes from scriptures and the other that refer to Jesus and His Divinity, I would like to mention, from Jesus action that he is truly God and truly man. . Matthew 8:24-27 Suddenly a violent storm came up on the sea, so that the boat was being swampd by waves; but he was asleep, They came and woke him, saying, "Lord save us! We are perishing! He said to them, “Why are you terrfied, you of little faith?” Then he got up, rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was great calm. The men were amazed and said,“What sort of man is this, whom even the winds and sea obey?” What other human being in history ever raised the dead just by his words, or heal the sick, give sight to the blind, forgive sins and heal paralytic, lepers, illnesses, yet even the demons who possesed men obeyed his word. For Jesus to announce he is God worship me, is not a requirement for non believers. The actions of Jesus prove his power and divinity, besides the prophet had already announced his coming, not to mention John the Baptist who gave testimony of Him.See also Isaiah 7:13-14, Isaiah 9:5-6 give testimony of his name, Immanuel God is with us, Wonder Counselor, God-Hero, Father-Forever, Prince of Peace. Faith comes from hearing and hearing the Word of God…

 

[pismopal]

He proved who He was with deeds explained with words and there is a point that implicit becomes explicit… that is unless one is a hard head and doesn’t want the truth.
references
Jn 1:1
Jn 1:14-15
Jn 8:19
Jn 8:58-59
Jn 10:30-33
Lev19:2,24:14-16
Jn 10:38
Jn 12:45
Jn 14:8-12
Jn 20:28
Col 2:9
Acts 20:28
Eph 1:7
1Jn 1:7
Tit 2:13

 

[pismopal]

Those words above are your words not Jesus’ words. He uses His own words in His own way and in His own time. Sorry…but some things are just beyond YOUR control.

 

[justinthemartyr]

Jesus is the only person to ever be preannounced, and that is the proof that He is God.

No other man ever preannounced himself through over 400 prophesies that he fulfilled in his short life span. He prophesied everything from his place of birth, to his life, to his death and his resurrection and his ascension.

all of this over 1000 years before he was born.

no one else, claiming to be a prophet, or anything else can make this claim.

He is far greater than any so called prophet that walked this earth and died, never to rise again.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Lightofeyes, I believe if you followed the answers to your ? it was answered. Please re-read and look up the scriptural texts. Sorry that words and actions from the sacred historical texts are not proof enough. Here are some sacred scripture that may help you undersand why you don’t accept the evidence given for you.

1 John 2:22 Who is the Liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist. No one who denies the Son has the Father, but whoever confessed the Son has the Father as well.

1 John 3:23 And his commandment is this: we should believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another just as he commanded us. Those who keep his commandments remain in him, and he in them, and the way we know that he remains in us is from the Spirit that he gave us.

1 John 4:1… Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets hav gone out into the world. This is how you can know the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ come in the flesh belongs to God, and every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus does not belong to God. This is the spirit of the antichrist that, as you heard, is to come, but in fact is already in the world…vs.6 We belong to God, and anyone who knows God listens to us, while anyone who does not belong to God refuses to hear us. This is how we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of deceit.

1 John 5:10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has this testimony within himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a Liar by not believing the testimony God has given about his Son. And this is the testimony: God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever possesses the Son has life: whoever does not possess the Son of God does not have life.

1 John 5:20 We also know that the Son of God has come and has given us discernment to know the one who is true. **And we are in the one who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. **

2 John 1:7 Many decievers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh; such is the deceitful one and the antichrist.

Jude 1:5-16

 

[paarsurrey]

Where in the Bible does Jesus Say “I am god worship me”
Actually he objected people worshipping him so where is the authority to say Jesus was GOD.I am not talking about what Paul, Matthew,mark, luke and John said I want it from the horses mouth.

The reverend Professor David Jenkins Bishop of Durham even openly said that Jesus was not GOD.

Hi

Nowhere in Bible Jesus said that he is God, Worship him. It is only implied by my Catholic friends. How could Jesus say that when he was only a humble servant of GodAllahYHWH like Moses, Krishna and Buddha etc?

Thanks

 

[swariffin]

Hi

Nowhere in Bible Jesus said that he is God, Worship him. It is only implied by my Catholic friends. How could Jesus say that when he was only a humble servant of GodAllahYHWH like Moses, Krishna and Buddha etc?

Thanks

Dear Paarsurrey,

My dear brother, we have answered many of your questions (but, you either disagree or perhaps, ignored them). Could you please answer my question back in posting #30? We want to have a dialogue with you. You always wanted to have a dialogue, right? If you never answer/respon to our question, any third party may accuse us of being monologue.

 

[paarsurrey]

Dear Paarsurrey,

My dear brother, we have answered many of your questions (but, you either disagree or perhaps, ignored them). Could you please answer my question back in posting #30? We want to have a dialogue with you. You always wanted to have a dialogue, right? If you never answer/respon to our question, any third party may accuse us of being monologue.

Hi

I think the dialogue is already in progress and we are reaching towards a peaceful understanding a precondition of a formal interfaith dialogue.

Thanks

 

[Chancellare]

Thanks for everybody who shared in this thread but you guys have not given verses where Jesus explicitly say that I am God worship me.

Accordingly in the Day of Judgment after we die he will not ask us why we did not workshop him because simply he did not say worship me.

While Allah will ask you why you did not worship me despite he clearly ordered to worship him in many verses in Quran.

The conclusion is that Jesus was no more than prophet brought the monotheism which all previous prophets taught.
Allah is the one who deserve to worship him without any partner.

Peace…

Before you recognized your mother and followed her advise, did she tell you “I am your mother drink your milk”?
Or did she just do her thing as a mother would?

Where is it in your Quran that says you have to look for the phrase “I am God worship me” before you determined whom to worship?

 

[swariffin]

Hi

I think the dialogue is already in progress and we are reaching towards a peaceful understanding a precondition of a formal interfaith dialogue.

Thanks

Dear Paarsurrey,

That is true. Although I don’t mind your pasted information from someone else’s, I do miss your own personal opinion on many things. Please do not be reluctant posting your own opinion.

BTW, I got your recommended website and quite disappointed that the article was written as a summary rather than the original article. Even it was not a good summary because just pointed out the opinion of the writer, without any explanation of how and why he came into that conclusion. Sorry for being off topic.