Where is God?

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RubyT said:
Evolution is well supported by those with the agenda. In fact the theory of evolution is full of holes and speculation. I have a degree in Biology and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize most of the theory is supposions and assumptions.
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But suppose, for sake of argument, that evolution happened exactly the way its supporters say it happened. Why would either atheists or Christians think that somehow disproved God?
 
VociMike said:
But suppose, for sake of argument, that evolution happened exactly the way its supporters say it happened. Why would either atheists or Christians think that somehow disproved God?
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I don’t think it would disprove God at all. Either way if evolution is a truth not just theory than God could have perpetrated it.

In my opinion God would be able to create a whale without having the whales come out on land only to crawl back into the ocean. 😃
 
By_His_Mercy said:
Hi RedHen,

How do we know we know all of the “code patterns”? We’ve just mapped these genomes in the relatively few past years. 100 years from now, I bet a whole lot will get elaborated upon, revised, etc.
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I’m not a geneticist either, but when a peer reviewed study is published on a U.S. gov’t website, I trust that the basic claims are true, or else other scientists would be jumping up and down and arguing against it.
genome.gov/Pages/Research/DIR/Chimp_Analysis.pdf
This guy is saying we can be sure two chromosomes fused. So then, what happened? We had a male and a female, both having fused chromosomes at exactly the same place, at the same time, and somehow found each other among the other millions, and mated?
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Evolution doesn’t occur in individuals, it’s seen in populations, over time. What we have in individuals are variations, like the fused chromosome.
And then we had one baby with 23 sets of chromosomes among the other baby gorillas with 24 sets? And that baby gorilla was human? So then we’ve got one human male or female. Now, when it grows up, it has to mate with one of it’s parents, right? Nobody else has 23 sets of chromosomes.
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Humans didn’t evolve from apes, chimps or monkeys; we share a common ancestor with them. We don’t need to have both parents with the same genetic material in order for it to be passed on. Except for recessive traits, for example, blond hair.

If the variation (fused chromosome) is advantageous, it stands a good chance of being passed on through heredity. It looks like one of genes in this chromosome 2 is an enzyme for vitamin B12, which is important for the brain,

Here’s an interview with Ken Miller pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/defense-ev.html

Here’s one of the first questions;

Q: Where do you come from personally on this topic?

Miller: I think that faith and reason are both gifts from God. And if God is real, then faith and reason should complement each other rather than be in conflict. Science is the child of reason. Reason has given us the ability to establish the scientific method to investigate the world around us, and to show that the world and the universe in which we live are far vaster and far more complex, and I think far more wonderful, than anyone could have imagined 1,000 or 2,000 years ago.

Does that mean that scientific reason, by taking some of the mystery out of nature, has taken away faith? I don’t think so. I think by revealing a world that is infinitely more complex and infinitely more varied and creative than we had ever believed before, in a way it deepens our faith and our appreciation for the author of that nature, the author of that physical universe. And to people of faith, that author is God.

Now, I’m a scientist and I have faith in God. But that doesn’t make faith a scientific proposition. Faith and reason are both necessary to the religious person for a proper understanding of the world in which we live, and there is ultimately no necessary contradiction between reason and faith.
 
VociMike said:
But suppose, for sake of argument, that evolution happened exactly the way its supporters say it happened. Why would either atheists or Christians think that somehow disproved God?
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Because of the God of the Gaps theory. The Intelligent Design people hold up examples like the human eye and claim that’s it’s irreducibly complex, therefore it had to be designed by a Creator.
 
redhen said:
Because of the God of the Gaps theory. The Intelligent Design people hold up examples like the human eye and claim that’s it’s irreducibly complex, therefore it had to be designed by a Creator.
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But that would just disprove their theory, not disprove God.

If a natural theory could account for everything, including the existence of something rather than nothing, then that would be good proof against the existence of God. But no natural theory can possibly account for everything, so it’s not an issue.
 
redhen said:
Because of the God of the Gaps theory. The Intelligent Design people hold up examples like the human eye and claim that’s it’s irreducibly complex, therefore it had to be designed by a Creator.
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I think you are lumping all ID people in to one catagory. I have heard the argument that you elucidate from some ID people. Others conclude that the current evolution theory does not explain all natural development. Also, the second group argues that there are natural laws inherent in the universe that seem to make it more likely that life and eyesight will develop. The more sophisticated argument from the second group is not consistent with the God of Gaps Theory. Many philosophical evolutionists would like to have all ID supporters lumped in to the first group.
 
redhen said:
Humans didn’t evolve from apes, chimps or monkeys; we share a common ancestor with them. We don’t need to have both parents with the same genetic material in order for it to be passed on. Except for recessive traits, for example, blond hair.
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But how did this work? There was a common ancestor who was already heterosexual, right? Then one individual develops this fused chromosome. OK, so that one has 23 chromosomes, and can mate with someone with 24 chromosomes? Has that ever happened?..two different numbers of chromosomes combining into something that survives? That seems incredible to me!

God bless you,
 
Maranatha said:
I didn’t say all persons but I do now. It can be suppressed at times but eventually manifests. It is always there and when denied it is a cause of suffering.
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Well, then you are calling them liars.
 
By_His_Mercy said:
But how did this work? There was a common ancestor who was already heterosexual, right? Then one individual develops this fused chromosome. OK, so that one has 23 chromosomes, and can mate with someone with 24 chromosomes? Has that ever happened?..two different numbers of chromosomes combining into something that survives? That seems incredible to me!

God bless you,
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For God nothing is incredible.
 
RubyT said:
Evolution is well supported by those with the agenda. In fact the theory of evolution is full of holes and speculation. I have a degree in Biology and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize most of the theory is supposions and assumptions.
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Evolution is well supported by facts. You deny it because you cannot harmonize the idea with how you believe in God.
 
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