Where Is Heaven and Hell?

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  1. I’ve been reading that scientists believe there are more universes than the one we live in. Could one of those be where Heaven and Hell are located and why no one can say exactly where Heaven is?
In one page I’ve read, it asks the question "How many Universes are there?

Some of the answers are below:

<<<<<<<<<< Answer:
Answer 1
According to M-theory, there are 10^500 universes

Answer 2
One view- In the book “Stephen Hawking’s Universe: The Cosmos Explained” it says our universe [has] 770 supervigintioctingentillion(?) super clusters, 1 super cluster and 20 billion galaxies in each direction making our universe a finite giant balloon like the boundaries of the earth. But ‘’‘infinite’’’ other universes make the multiple universes come together to make up the alternate universes. Multiple alternate universes, mega universes, multiple mega universes, super mega universes, super multiple mega universes, ultra universes, multiple ultra universes, ultra multiple ultra universes, ultra multi ultra universe which make up a multiverse. Which atoms or negative infinity [of] a neutron proton or electron of an atom a[re] in negative infinity of that is a multiverse. Those atoms are [part] of a grain of sand [in] which infinite atoms make up this sand grain. [And] the sand is of the cosmic desert which goes on in every direction without end in any place which make up cosmic deserts.
‘’’’‘Other views-’’’’’

‘’‘No one knows’’’, so anything claiming otherwise is simply theory. Unfortunately, at this time, we can’t have an answer to this question. We have no idea if we have one infinite universe, a finite one or many of varying sizes. Or even if they would be considered universes in our limited knowledge and vocabulary.

Hawking also proposes the theory of the no boundary universe.
Other theories abound.
See Related Links below.

Answer 4

I looked on Wikipedia and it said there was a multiverse of 7 universes. We are on the seventh universe. Each universe has its own dimensions. We only live in three dimensions >>>>>>

Question: Does/did the Hubble telescope observe all the universes OR does/did it only observe ours?
 
Outside our physical universe, like in some other universe? Are there other universes?
We don’t know. I mean, maybe, but frankly I find it more likely that they are not inside any universe (assuming there are multiple, possibly infinite).

If you are looking to understand completely what heaven is like, you aren’t going to get far. All we know about heaven is what has been revealed by God, which is not a whole lot.

This is one of those things that you’ll just have to leave a Mystery of the Faith.

We will know ‘where’ and what heaven (or hell) is like when we get there.
 
  1. I’ve been reading that scientists believe there are more universes than the one we live in. Could one of those be where Heaven and Hell are located and why no one can say exactly where Heaven is?
In one page I’ve read, it asks the question "How many Universes are there?

Some of the answers are below:

<<<<<<<<<< Answer:
Answer 1
According to M-theory, there are 10^500 universes

Answer 2
One view- In the book “Stephen Hawking’s Universe: The Cosmos Explained” it says our universe [has] 770 supervigintioctingentillion(?) super clusters, 1 super cluster and 20 billion galaxies in each direction making our universe a finite giant balloon like the boundaries of the earth. But ‘’‘infinite’’’ other universes make the multiple universes come together to make up the alternate universes. Multiple alternate universes, mega universes, multiple mega universes, super mega universes, super multiple mega universes, ultra universes, multiple ultra universes, ultra multiple ultra universes, ultra multi ultra universe which make up a multiverse. Which atoms or negative infinity [of] a neutron proton or electron of an atom a[re] in negative infinity of that is a multiverse. Those atoms are [part] of a grain of sand [in] which infinite atoms make up this sand grain. [And] the sand is of the cosmic desert which goes on in every direction without end in any place which make up cosmic deserts.
‘’’’‘Other views-’’’’’

‘’‘No one knows’’’, so anything claiming otherwise is simply theory. Unfortunately, at this time, we can’t have an answer to this question. We have no idea if we have one infinite universe, a finite one or many of varying sizes. Or even if they would be considered universes in our limited knowledge and vocabulary.

Hawking also proposes the theory of the no boundary universe.
Other theories abound.
See Related Links below.

Answer 4

I looked on Wikipedia and it said there was a multiverse of 7 universes. We are on the seventh universe. Each universe has its own dimensions. We only live in three dimensions >>>>>>

Question: Does/did the Hubble telescope observe all the universes OR does/did it only observe ours?
Only ours can be seen as the telescopes reside in our universe alone. There is no way for us to definitively know whether other universes exist or not, and it is even less likely than that to be able to travel to these other universes if they even exist.
 
Heaven is at God’s heavenly house. We don’t know where it is. But we get there by grace. And he will throw a big party for us there, a wedding feast.
 
We don’t know. I mean, maybe, but frankly I find it more likely that they are not inside any universe (assuming there are multiple, possibly infinite).

If you are looking to understand completely what heaven is like, you aren’t going to get far. All we know about heaven is what has been revealed by God, which is not a whole lot.

This is one of those things that you’ll just have to leave a Mystery of the Faith.

We will know ‘where’ and what heaven (or hell) is like when we get there.
Doesn’t having an infinite number of other universes to explain ours contradict occam’s razor?
 
We don’t know. I mean, maybe, but frankly I find it more likely that they are not inside any universe (assuming there are multiple, possibly infinite).

If you are looking to understand completely what heaven is like, you aren’t going to get far. All we know about heaven is what has been revealed by God, which is not a whole lot.

This is one of those things that you’ll just have to leave a Mystery of the Faith.

We will know ‘where’ and what heaven (or hell) is like when we get there.
Ok, this will show my ignorance of science but what or where is outside a universe?
 
The traditional teaching of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church is that hell is located in the center of the earth.

Regarding heaven, there was an interesting article in the British publication Christian Order last May, titled: “Is Heaven a Place”. It may answer some of your questions, and it is available online.
 
My Bible study teacher said they arent actual places but are a state of mind. What does that mean? I think Pope Benedict said something like that as well.
It means we have to avoid these spatial notions, because they deceive us into believing in a compartmentalized/dualistic world, where God is perceived as separated from our earthly life, living somewhere “above”, far from us, and people can hope to meet God only after death, by leaving the space of this world. My old Q&A catechism had this: “Q: Where is God? A: In the sky, on earth and everywhere”. So imagining the heaven/the Kingdom of God as a physical place is incorrect, because it limits God and reduces heaven to something incompatible with our present life on earth, to some forbidden territory. Present/earthly life/body = bad, no God; future/afterlife in the sky/soul = good, with God.

The following quotes tell us clearly, instead, that the Kingdom of God starts here on earth, although in a very imperfect way: we start to prepare for it and experience it by uniting ourselves with Christ, by doing His will on earth, by seeing Him in every human being. What did Jesus say at the Ascension? “Remember that I am always with you until the end of time.” It doesn’t sound like a forbidden territory - on the contrary. What did He say in Luke 17? “And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come? he answered them, and said: The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For lo, the kingdom of God is within you”.

John Paul II:
In the context of Revelation, we know that the “heaven” or “happiness” in which we will find ourselves is neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but a living, personal relationship with the Holy Trinity. It is our meeting with the Father which takes place in the risen Christ through the communion of the Holy Spirit.
It is always necessary to maintain a certain restraint in describing these “ultimate realities” since their depiction is always unsatisfactory. Today, personalist language is better suited to describing the state of happiness and peace we will enjoy in our definitive communion with God.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church sums up the Church’s teaching on this truth: “By his death and Resurrection, Jesus Christ has ‘opened’ heaven to us. The life of the blessed consists in the full and perfect possession of the fruits of the redemption accomplished by Christ. He makes partners in his heavenly glorification those who have believed in him and remained faithful to his will. Heaven is the blessed community of all who are perfectly incorporated into Christ” (n. 1026).
This final state, however, can be anticipated in some way today in sacramental life, whose centre is the Eucharist, and in the gift of self through fraternal charity. If we are able to enjoy properly the good things that the Lord showers upon us every day, we will already have begun to experience that joy and peace which one day will be completely ours. We know that on this earth everything is subject to limits, but the thought of the “ultimate” realities helps us to live better the “penultimate” realities. We know that as we pass through this world we are called to seek “the things that are above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God” (Col 3:1), in order to be with him in the eschatological fulfilment, when the Spirit will fully reconcile with the Father “all things, whether on earth or in heaven” (Col 1:20).
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/1999/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_21071999_en.html

(to be continued)
 
Benedict XVI:
I would like to reflect on an aspect of the affirmation of the dogma where assumption into heavenly glory is mentioned. All of us today are well aware that by the term “Heaven” we are not referring to somewhere in the universe, to a star or such like; no. We mean something far greater and far more difficult to define with our limited human conceptions. With this term “Heaven” we wish to say that God, the God who made himself close to us, does not abandon us in or after death but keeps a place for us and gives us eternity. We mean that in God there is room for us. To understand this reality a little better let us look at our own lives. We all experience that when people die they continue to exist, in a certain way, in the memory and heart of those who knew and loved them. We might say that a part of the person lives on in them but it resembles a “shadow” because this survival in the heart of their loved ones is destined to end. God, on the contrary, never passes away and we all exist by virtue of his love. We exist because he loves us, because he conceived of us and called us to life. We exist in God’s thoughts and in God’s love. We exist in the whole of our reality, not only in our “shadow”. Our serenity, our hope and our peace are based precisely on this: in God, in his thoughts and in his love, it is not merely a “shadow” of ourselves that survives but rather we are preserved and ushered into eternity with the whole of our being in him, in his creator love. It is his Love that triumphs over death and gives us eternity and it is this love that we call “Heaven”: God is so great that he also makes room for us. And Jesus the man, who at the same time is God, is the guarantee for us that the being-man and the being-God can exist and live, the one within the other, for eternity.
This means that not only a part of each one of us will continue to exist, as it were pulled to safety, while other parts fall into ruin; on the contrary it means that God knows and loves the whole of the human being, what we are. And God welcomes into his eternity what is developing and becoming now, in our life made up of suffering and love, of hope, joy and sorrow. The whole of man, the whole of his life, is taken by God and, purified in him, receives eternity. Dear Friends! I think this is a truth that should fill us with deep joy. Christianity does not proclaim merely some salvation of the soul in a vague afterlife in which all that is precious and dear to us in this world would be eliminated, but promises eternal life, “the life of the world to come”. Nothing that is precious and dear to us will fall into ruin; rather, it will find fullness in God. Every hair of our head is counted, Jesus said one day (cf. Mt 10: 30). The definitive world will also be the fulfilment of this earth, as St Paul says: “Creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God” (Rom 8: 21). Then we understand that Christianity imparts a strong hope in a bright future and paves the way to the realization of this future. We are called, precisely as Christians, to build this new world, to work so that, one day, it may become the “world of God”, a world that will surpass all that we ourselves have been able to build. In Mary taken up into Heaven, who fully shares in the Resurrection of the Son, we contemplate the fulfilment of the human creature in accordance with “God’s world”.
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/homilies/2010/documents/hf_ben-xvi_hom_20100815_assunzione_en.html
 
G-d transcends all definitions, including the definition, “existence”
– Maimonides


I hope the above quote is helpful in the incomprehensible nature of Heaven and Hell. The OP asks good questions, but again, providing an comprehensible answer is just not possible.
 
G-d transcends all definitions, including the definition, “existence”
– Maimonides


I hope the above quote is helpful in the incomprehensible nature of Heaven and Hell. The OP asks good questions, but again, providing an comprehensible answer is just not possible.
Would you agree that this incomprehensible nature of Heaven and hell are spiritual?
 
The traditional teaching of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church is that hell is located in the center of the earth.
Is this true? Anyone else want to take this?

If it is true, can the Church still be the right church and started by Jesus when the Church fathers were so wrong about this?
 
The traditional teaching of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church is that hell is located in the center of the earth.
Is this true? Anyone else want to take this?

If it is true, can the Church still be the right church and started by Jesus when the Church fathers were so wrong about this?
 
Is this true? Anyone else want to take this?

If it is true, can the Church still be the right church and started by Jesus when the Church fathers were so wrong about this?
The Church does not teach that Hell is located at the centre of the earth.
 
The traditional Heaven above us, Hell below us seems the right way to understand these places. After the rebellion of Core against Moses, they were condemned by him and…

“And immediately as he had made an end of speaking, the earth broke asunder under their feet: And opening her mouth, devoured them with their tents and all their substance. And they went down alive into hell, the ground closing upon them, and they perished from among the people.” (Numbers 16:31 - 33)

Also Heaven is above us, since we have the story of Elias whom…

“And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elias into heaven by a whirlwind, …” (4 Kings 2:1)

“And has they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder: and Elias went up by a whirlwind into heaven.” (4 Kings 2:11)

Keep in mind that Elias didn’t die, nor had a glorified or resurrected body! So Heaven and Hell must be real definable regions.

:harp:
 
The traditional Heaven above us, Hell below us seems the right way to understand these places. After the rebellion of Core against Moses, they were condemned by him and…

“And immediately as he had made an end of speaking, the earth broke asunder under their feet: And opening her mouth, devoured them with their tents and all their substance. And they went down alive into hell, the ground closing upon them, and they perished from among the people.” (Numbers 16:31 - 33)

Also Heaven is above us, since we have the story of Elias whom…

“And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elias into heaven by a whirlwind, …” (4 Kings 2:1)

“And has they went on, walking and talking together, behold a fiery chariot, and fiery horses parted them both asunder: and Elias went up by a whirlwind into heaven.” (4 Kings 2:11)

Keep in mind that Elias didn’t die, nor had a glorified or resurrected body! So Heaven and Hell must be real definable regions.

:harp:
I repeat. The Church does not teach that Hell is located in the centre of the Earth. If you can show me in the CCC where Hell’s location is defined as the centre of the earth I will be happy to reconsider.
 
Is this true? Anyone else want to take this?

If it is true, can the Church still be the right church and started by Jesus when the Church fathers were so wrong about this?
The Church does not have a definitive teaching on the location of hell, but it has commonly been believed to be in the center of the earth, due to the teaching of Scripture. Here is what St. Thomas said about the location of hell:

Article 7. Whether the fire of hell is beneath the earth?

I answer that, As Augustine says (De Civ. Dei xv, 16), “I am of opinion that no one knows in what part of the world hell is situated, unless the Spirit of God has revealed this to some one.” Wherefore Gregory (Dial. iv) having been questioned on this point answers: “About this matter I dare not give a rash decision. For some have deemed hell to be in some part of the earth’s surface; others think it to be beneath the earth.” He shows the latter opinion to be the more probable for two reasons. First from the very meaning of the word. These are his words: “If we call it the nether regions (infernus [The Latin for ‘hell’]), for the reason that it is beneath us [inferius], what earth is in relation to heaven, such should be hell in relation to earth.” Secondly, from the words of Revelation 5:3: “No man was able, neither in heaven, nor on earth, nor under the earth, to open the book”: where the words “in heaven” refer to the angels, “on earth” to men living in the body, and “under the earth” to souls in hell. Augustine too (Gen. ad lit. xii, 34) seems to indicate two reasons for the congruity of hell being under the earth. One is that “whereas the souls of the departed sinned through love of the flesh, they should be treated as the dead flesh is wont to be treated, by being buried beneath the earth.” The other is that heaviness is to the body what sorrow is to the spirit, and joy (of spirit) is as lightness (of body). Wherefore “just as in reference to the body, all the heavier things are beneath the others, if they be placed in order of gravity, so in reference to the spirit, the lower place is occupied by whatever is more sorrowful”; and thus even as the empyrean is a fitting place for the joy of the elect, so the lowest part of the earth is a fitting place for the sorrow of the damned. Nor does it signify that Augustine (De Civ. Dei xv, 16) says that “hell is stated or believed to be under the earth,” because he withdraws this (Retract. ii, 29) where he says: “Methinks I should have said that hell is beneath the earth, rather than have given the reason why it is stated or believed to be under the earth.” However, some philosophers have maintained that hell is situated beneath the terrestrial orb, but above the surface of the earth, on that part which is opposite to us. This seems to have been the meaning of Isidore when he asserted that “the sun and the moon will stop in the place wherein they were created, lest the wicked should enjoy this light in the midst of their torments.” But this is no argument, if we assert that hell is under the earth. We have already stated how these words may be explained (91, 2).

The Catholic Encyclopedia says this:

Where is hell? Some were of opinion that hell is everywhere, that the damned are at liberty to roam about in the entire universe, but that they carry their punishment with them. The adherents of this doctrine were called Ubiquists, or Ubiquitarians; among them were, e.g., Johann Brenz, a Swabian, a Protestant theologian of the sixteenth century. However, that opinion is universally and deservedly rejected; for it is more in keeping with their state of punishment that the damned be limited in their movements and confined to a definite place. Moreover, if hell is a real fire, it cannot be everywhere, especially after the consummation of the world, when heaven and earth shall have been made anew. As to its locality all kinds of conjectures have been made; it has been suggested that hell is situated on some far island of the sea, or at the two poles of the earth; Swinden, an Englishman of the eighteenth century, fancied it was in the sun; some assigned it to the moon, others to Mars; others placed it beyond the confines of the universe [Wiest, “Instit. theol.”, VI (1789), 869]. The Bible seems to indicate that hell is within the earth, for it describes hell as an abyss to which the wicked descend. We even read of the earth opening and of the wicked sinking down into hell (Numbers 16:31 sqq.; Psalm 54:16; Isaiah 5:14; Ezekiel 26:20; Philippians 2:10, etc.). Is this merely a metaphor to illustrate the state of separation from God? Although God is omnipresent, He is said to dwell in heaven, because the light and grandeur of the stars and the firmament are the brightest manifestations of His infinite splendour. But the damned are utterly estranged from God; hence their abode is said to be as remote as possible from his dwelling, far from heaven above and its light, and consequently hidden away in the dark abysses of the earth. However, no cogent reason has been advanced for accepting a metaphorical interpretation in preference to the most natural meaning of the words of Scripture. Hence theologians generally accept the opinion that hell is really within the earth.
 
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