Gaber
While I understand what you are saying (Realised Eschatology), strictly speaking the words you have written would seem internally self contradictory: physical death must precede resurrection if resurrection means rising from the dead. It is not a pretend physical death, it must be a real physical death otherwise we are probably talking of resuscitation.
The âeternityâ (nth dimension solution) doesnât seem to mesh well with the problem of Jesus being truly and bodily present in the Eucharist.
The following may (or may not assist) further reflection:
âNor does the modern theory of n-dimensions throw any light upon the subject; for the Body of Christ is not invisible or impalpable to us because it occupies the fourth dimension, but because it transcends and is wholly independent of space.â
newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm
Jesus told someone once âlet the dead burry the dead.â Yes? Luke 9:60 I beleive.
There is a point of subtlty that has concerned me for some time regarding Teaching. It is that Mark 4:33,34 points to something that is studiously ignored, if you ask me. It is that we only have a few sentences from Jesus in the ârecord.â And half of those are from the OT pretty much. And we also know that Jesus was in Egypt and there is arguable evidence that He might have been elsewhere as well, even to Kashmir, for instance.
There a Lahsa monestary is said by Faber-Kaiser and some others, I believe, to have records of a Sage from the West who loved children and said things that are near exact quotes from the Gospels, about two thousand years ago.
My point is that much of what Jesus says can be seen as congruent with certain Wisdom Teachings whose point is a kind of transformation that âmakes the whole world new in the twinkiling of an eye.â And that Teaching is ancient, and has such faces as Zen and Advaita, and some other Philosophies most contemporarily dilineated in process by such as Franklin Merrel-Wolff,* and in the Roman Catholic tradition Bernadette Roberts** .
From the perspective of someone who has reached the accomplishment proponed by those two, many Catholic Saints, and countless non Catholic Sages through the ages, the oprdinary person, in a sense, though walking around seeming to be awake, is funtionally âdeadâ on the much higher level of Insight that Jesus certainly operated from and it can be hypothesised that these others at least approximated.
As a correlary, this might be interesting:
"âŚWe define thinking as integrating data and arriving at correct answers. Look around you. Most people do that stunt just well enought to get to the corner store and back without breaking a leg. If the average man thinks at all, he does silly things like generalizing from a single datum. He uses one-valued logics. If he is exceptionally bright, he may use two-valued âeither-orâ logic to arrive at his wrong answers. If he is hungry, hurt, or personally interested in the answer, he canât use any sort of logic and will discard observed fact as blithly as he will stake his life on a piece of wishful thinking. He uses the technical miracles created by superior men without wonder nor surprise, as a kitten accepts a bowl of milk. Far from aspiring to higher reasoning, he is not even aware that higher reasoning exists. He classes his own mental process as being of the same sort as the genius of an Einstein. Man is not a rational animal; he is a rationalizing animal.
"That is why there is always room at the top, why a man with a leetle more on the ball can so easily become governor, millionaire, or college presidentâand why homo sap is sure to be displaced by New Man, because there is so much room for improvement and evoloution never stops.
"Here and there among ordinary men is a rare individual who really thinks, can and does use logic in a single feildâheâs often as stupid as the rest outside his study or his laboratoryâbut he can think, if he is not disturbed, sick, or frightened. This rare individual is responsible for all the progress made by the race; the others reluctantly adopt his results. Much as the ordinary man dislikes and distrusts and persecutes the process of thinking he is forced to accept the reslults occasionally, because thinking is efficient compared with his own maunderings. He may still plant his corn by the dark of the moon, but he will plant better corn developed by better men than he.
"Still rarer is the man who thinks habitually, who applies reason, rather than habit pattern, to all his activity. Unless he masks himself, his is a dangerous life; he is regarded as queer, untrustworthy, subversive of public morals; a pink monkey among the brown monkeysâa fatal mistake. Unless the pink monkey can dye homself brown before he gets caught.
"The brown monkeyâs instinct to kill is correct; such men are dangerous to all monkey customs.
"Rarest of all is the man who can and does reason at all times, quickly, accurately, inclusively, despite hope or fear or bodily distress, without egocentric bias or thalmic disturbance, with correct memory, with clear distinction between fact, assumption and non-fact. Such men exist, Joe, They are âNew Manââhuman in all respects, indistinguishable in all appearnces or under the scalpel from homo sap, yet as unlike him in action as the Sun is unlke a single candle.
~RA Heinlein, Gulf, short novel in Assignment in Eternity c 1949, '53, '81 RAH
So in my mind what you are saying has the requirement of physical death, I see as a transfomation from the death of ignorance that the vast majority of us live in. And that is not a âdeathâ mitigated, but only somewhat allevieated by faith, which imho is but a preliminary step if righty used to what constituted a vastly different order of insight and understanding. I say this because as a student of this dynamic it appearst to me that the crucial factor is not belief, as such, but an exhaustion, if you will, of the discursive mind by, yes, prayer, meditation, or contemplation, but also even by vast depression or even trauma. the point is to be able to get past the self talk and story telling of the discursive mind in order to have a moment of vision that alowws ther Grace that is aways already theree to descend and bestow a new persp[ective that can be labeled as âborn againâ (not tin the revivalist sense!!!) or resurected. That is how radically different such a state is from normal human awraeness.
I could say much more, but have time constraints here. Thanks for your attention in reading, if you go this far!
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* **The Philosophy of Consciousness Without An Object
** **The Experience of No Self**
