Where is Jesus?

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Because Jesus is God, He is infinite and omnipresent, right? So I assume that he is present in my life, my world, my heart, my head, my body, my house, etc. But if He has maintained a physical, though glorified, body, why can’t I literally see Him? Second, how can Jesus’ one body be present in whole form absolutely everywhere? If I say that Christ is present in me, does that mean that His whole glorified body is literally in my body?

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Jesus is God and has the same attributes as the Father. He can therefor “fill heaven and earth” as Jeremiah 23:24 says.

However, he is also forever the God/man which means he has a body in heaven. An imperishable body. That is why the scripture says there is one mediator between God an man, the man Christ Jesus. He is of course present in all things and in those who seek him.
 
The glorified body of Jesus Christ has ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of God The Father (the Catholic Creed)

Jesus is present everywhere in our world today, in the Eucharist.

God the Holy Spirit is present within us.

God is 3 persons in ONE God, and is indivisible. Therefore, wherever God is (which is everywhere) so also is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
 
The glorified body of Jesus Christ has ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of God The Father (the Catholic Creed)

Jesus is present everywhere in our world today, in the Eucharist.

God the Holy Spirit is present within us.

God is 3 persons in ONE God, and is indivisible. Therefore, wherever God is (which is everywhere) so also is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
I understand that He is obviously present in the Eucharist. But what about outside of the Eucharist?
 
Jesus is God and has the same attributes as the Father. He can therefor “fill heaven and earth” as Jeremiah 23:24 says.

However, he is also forever the God/man which means he has a body in heaven. An imperishable body. That is why the scripture says there is one mediator between God an man, the man Christ Jesus. He is of course present in all things and in those who seek him.
So does that mean that His imperishable body is not in any way part of our world (except for the Eucharist)? If that’s the case, then how can he be present “in all things?” I don’t imagine that His body is ever separate from his Spirit, in which case wherever Jesus is there is His body, too, right? So why can’t I actually see it?
 
Jesus is everywhere, but not in the way that our human minds tend to think.

Jesus (being God) does not have existence (as do you and I), but is existence. Because you and I have existence, we can be measured and quantified - our physical properties (such as location) can be determined by observation. But this is not possible for existence itself.

There are no units of measure for Jesus. One cubic inch of interstellar space contains the same “amount” of Jesus as the whole universe.
 
So does that mean that His imperishable body is not in any way part of our world (except for the Eucharist)? If that’s the case, then how can he be present “in all things?” I don’t imagine that His body is ever separate from his Spirit, in which case wherever Jesus is there is His body, too, right? So why can’t I actually see it?
. He is God, and God is spirit that can be everywhere. Jesus put on a new flesh, a flesh that we will have at the resurrection. This flesh is not earthly except when it manifests itself physically in the Eucharist.
 
He’s not in time, since HE left time behind with the entropy of His dead human body; the pneumatikon soma has no time. We do not see HIM because seeing requires light reflection from the body; and earthly light requires time to travel.

We will see HIM just fine when we too are pneumatikon soma, and can see in Eternity.

ICXC NIKA
 
He’s not in time, since HE left time behind with the entropy of His dead human body; the pneumatikon soma has no time. We do not see HIM because seeing requires light reflection from the body; and earthly light requires time to travel.

We will see HIM just fine when we too are pneumatikon soma, and can see in Eternity.

ICXC NIKA
He is physically present (his body) in the Eucharist which is “in time”. Yes His dead body was left behind but his resurrected body is forever “out of time”.
 
Re: Where is Jesus?

They moved the tabernacle AGAIN?! :banghead:

:newidea: - "It’s BETTER!" *** – (Less guilt*)** :yup:

:nope: < me
 
But if He has maintained a physical, though glorified, body, why can’t I literally see Him?

Because our eyes are for seeing material. His gloried body is immaterial. Unless He Himself reveals it to you, then you can’t see it with earthly eyes.

Second, how can Jesus’ one body be present in whole form absolutely everywhere?

Singularity does not of itself mean one location as opposed to another. God is one, so He is not composed, which means that He is not now here then there. He is one and infinite. Inasmuchas the infinite and eternal God enters into communication with us, we perceive Him as limited. This, however, never was nor is the case in His nature. The problem is with our limited and changing perception and understanding.

If I say that Christ is present in me, does that mean that His whole glorified body is literally in my body?

It means that Christ’s whole glorified Body infuses your being. The “in me” part is your soul, your inmost life, your DNA for lack of a better word. In the case of the Eucharist, it is Christ’s special way of continually imparting His life on His children who receive Him in faith and with a clean heart.
 
I understand that He is obviously present in the Eucharist. But what about outside of the Eucharist?
He is present outside the Eucharist, yes, but the Eucharist is a type of covenant with God, in which we receive Him, and He comes to us in a special way. Our Lord placed power into the Eucharist beyond simply looking in awe at a beautiful sunset, or even praying outside of Mass.
 
I wouldn’t get too hung up on “where” His physical body is. The important part (for me anyway) is that Jesus asscended into heaven with His humanity. The Father loves His Son along with His humanity, thereby giving us, in our humanity, access to the Holy Spirit.
 
CaptFun responds in RED AND Blue AND Green :rolleyes: - but he’s stopped finally! 🙂
Jesus is everywhere, but not in the way that our human minds tend to think. Two clauses, one sentence. Each clause (though seemingly simple is utterly** profound.**Taken in unity (and believed - or even just honestly CONSIDERED as possibly true and examined for truth) “our human minds” begin to take a new journey - the search for God, and/or more intimate knowledge and understanding of God, and/or the journey to a deeper more intimate relationship with Him. Which leads us to discovering OUR relationship(s) (HIS/Ours individually, His/Ours/Others together, Ours/Others in HIM in love and ever deepening intimacy until heaven and earth pass away, Jesus is in US, as He is in the Father, United with the Holy Spirit and “all will be in all.” ***Not in the way our human minds tend to think … ***Indeed.

Your introductory sentence here (most probably inspired - even if it is not a spontaneous illumination but something you’ve been taught and remembered at this time) may well be a manifestation of the gift of Wisdom we receive at Confirmation - as it strikes at the heart of man’s deepest questions about his own PURPOSE and lesser things too.

Jesus (being God) does not have existence (as do you and I), but is existence.

I interrupt this paragraph to remark that THIS declarative sentence is possibly the most illuminating and thought provoking statement I have run across in a LOOOOONG time. And so far, as I scrutinize it thoroughly (but not cynically) it agrees with and sheds light on each Catholic doctrine on the subject (and some other subjects) I have considered (so far).

IS EXISTENCE! – “I AM !” – “*** I *** AM !” Not just an everywhere THING, like AIR or SUNLIGHT but an everywhere PERSON! These are some of my thoughts so far … and as far as I can see … fruitful, exciting, and leading me closer to HIM.

Because you and I have existence, we can be measured and quantified - our physical properties (such as location) can be determined by observation. But this is not possible for existence itself. YES! ***“Science” - ***which is really just human discovery of the realities God has created - and saving what we’ve learned and continue to learn for observation, comparison, categorization and ideally illumination - itself “knows” it (science) can’t measure some things as we are earthbound and there are other realities in the universe not bound by the “laws” of our planet! We CAN’T quantify “existence” and can barely begin to wrap our minds around the unbound, limitless CONCEPT of the reality!

1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written: “What eye has not seen, and ear has not heard, and what has not entered the human heart, what God has prepared for those who love him,”

These days some fill the “God VOID” of our society’s semi-official atheism with the word “Science”. They posit a mindless chaos that suddenly organizes a big bang that then somehow begets all sorts of orderly things. They are often hung up on explaining AWAY God as not even being an allowable theory to pursue in the human search into the “first things.”

ONE “intellectual” dismissal (which violated the above “IS Existence” concept by placing the “theoretical God of the Bible” in a quantified “box”) ran like this.

“If God always WAS, as you teach, and then said “Let there be light …” what was He doing before that … stumbling about in the eternal DARK?!” < Which at least showed she was thinking a little and proposing an entertaining visual image albeit still erroneous and (in the light of Church teachings) self-deceiving.

The question pictured God as being “inside” a “bigger, greater” Universe.

Even when I pictured Him as “outside and greater” than her proposed Universe, it did not satisfy my sensibilities like your “IS Existence” explanation did. Not only bigger than the “box” of the Universe, but containing the box, inhabiting the box, sustaining the box in existence - which is IN HIM.

**Acts 17:23 **What therefore you unknowingly worship, I proclaim to you. 24 The God who made the world and all that is in it, the Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in sanctuaries made by human hands, 25 nor is he served by human hands because he needs anything. Rather it is **He who gives to everyone life and breath and everything. **26 He made from one the whole human race to dwell on the entire surface of the earth, and he fixed the ordered seasons and the boundaries of their regions, 27 so that people might seek God, even perhaps grope for him **and find him, though indeed he is not far from any one of us. **

28 For ‘In him we live and move and have our being,’ as even some of your poets have said, 'For we too are his offspring.'

There are no units of measure for Jesus. One cubic inch of interstellar space contains the same “amount” of Jesus as the whole universe.
When I read this last sentence, I began to meditate on one of God’s gifts to us … a sacramental sign He used often in teaching us. Water.

Why water? Throughout the Bible God points to IT and uses IT. And it seems to be one of those things St. Paul speaks of

Romans 1:20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made.

Water … is a “trinity”. A trinity of gases science would classify it. The two hydrogen atoms in each molecule by themselves are lighter than air and would not tend to descend to the surface of the earth. Oxygen is found at earth level. Bound together and becoming together water this trinity descends and ascends, taking many forms. Some visible: rain, ice, hail, fog, mist, lakes, oceans, rivers, icebergs etc.; some invisible: humidity, vapors.

Water in its everyday journey to us, around us, through us and being part of us - cleanses us, brings us life, keeps us healthy, cools us or warms us, sterilizes medical instruments and eating utensils. Yet is just an IT that reminds us of God in whom we exist.

The story of Jesus - coming down to earth, giving life, cleansing us of our sins, going into the ground like the rain that helps beget new life - rising again clean like water "drying up’ from the earth and ascending to the heavens invisibly - can be recalled by looking at water’s daily journey to us.

Water is powerful. A flood can kill us, and ended a world once. But without it we cannot live. The SIGN is not the ONE who loves us … but we can rejoice in the learning.

AND OUR RESPONDING! HE loves US! WANTS a deeper relationship with US - and invites us to, by OUR own free will - to say YES to His offer. To rest in Him, or excitedly journey with Him, and be a channel of His love to the others He loves (and WE should!)

Christ Be With Me (based on the writings of St. Patrick)

Christ with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me,
Christ in me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me,
Christ on my right, Christ on my left,
Christ where I lie, Christ where I sit, Christ where I arise,
Christ in the heart of everyone who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of every one who speaks to me,
Christ in every eye that sees me,
Christ in every ear that hears me.
Salvation is of the Lord.
Salvation is of the Christ.
May your salvation, Lord, be ever with us. THANK YOU DavidFilmer. You said a lot with a few words. I said a little with a lot of words. But the SUBJECT is Sublime! As is our destiny together (all of us) IN HIM! :heaven:
 
The glorified body of Jesus Christ has ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of God The Father (the Catholic Creed)

Jesus is present everywhere in our world today, in the Eucharist.

God the Holy Spirit is present within us.

God is 3 persons in ONE God, and is indivisible. Therefore, wherever God is (which is everywhere) so also is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
Wow. Does that then also mean that the Holy Trinity is present with Jesus in the tabernacles at Catholic parishes?
 
Wow. Does that then also mean that the Holy Trinity is present with Jesus in the tabernacles at Catholic parishes?
What did it mean when Jesus said to see Him is to see the Father? Jesus said this before the Resurrection, before His Ascension into Heaven, and before the Eucharist was given to us.

Yet we know that the Holy Eucharist is the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus said I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me. Were the apostles speaking to the Father or to the Son?
 
Wow. Does that then also mean that the Holy Trinity is present with Jesus in the tabernacles at Catholic parishes?
Of course.
Our Triune God is omnipresent. Omnipresence is an attribute of Jesus’ **Divine **nature.

But when you speak of Jesus, you are speaking about the unique One who has two natures - a Divine nature and a true human nature. A Divine nature has the attribute of omnipresence, but a human nature does not. Thus, Our Lord’s glorified human body is not omnipresent.

The Second Person of the Trinity assumed a human nature, but that does not mean that His Divine nature was confined, so to speak, to the physical limits of His human body. In Jesus, (Second Person of the Trinity Incarnate) His Divine nature retained all of the Divine attributes and thus was and is always omnipresent. But His human nature, being a true human nature, has the attributes proper to that nature - both in the mortal state prior to death, and in the glorified, immortal state. In other words, the risen Lord continues to manifest omnipresence in His Divine nature, but His glorified human nature continues to manifest only the attibutes proper to risen glorified human bodies and souls. Omnipresence is not an attriute of human nature even in its risen glorified state.

At least, this is Aquinas’ teaching as I understand it. I don’t think the Church has ever defined just what all the attributes will be of risen, glorified bodies. One of those mysteries we’ll have to wait and find out for sure.
 
What did it mean when Jesus said to see Him is to see the Father? Jesus said this before the Resurrection, before His Ascension into Heaven, and before the Eucharist was given to us.
Here is from the Haydock Bible Commentary ( haydock1859.tripod.com/id107.html ):
He that seeth me, seeth the Father also:[2] that is, he seeth him, who is not a man only, but who also, by my divine nature, am one and the same with the Father: so that he who believes, and as it were sees, or knows by faith, who I am, cannot but know, that I am one with my eternal Father;
In other words, Thomas, being a Jew,
  1. knows that God is One.
  2. He knows “Father” refers to God.
  3. He knows Jesus has never claimed to be the “Father”.
  4. He knows Jesus speaks of the Father as a Person distinct from Himself.
Now if Thomas believes Jesus, this man whom He visibly sees, is God Incarnate, yet, in some way is a Person distinct from the Person of the Father, then there must be some way to reconcile all these truths.
  1. The first truth to arrive at is that there must be at least 2 Divine Persons in the One God (“Father” and “Son of God”).
  2. Then, because in speaking thru His human nature, He speaks of the Father as someone “other”, it must mean that Jesus’ human body is not united to the Divine Person of the Father.
  3. Yet, because of the Oneness of God, where One Person is present, so will any other Divine Persons be present. So the Father is present with the Son, but in such a way as not to be hypostatically united to the human nature present in Jesus.
Jesus said I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me. Were the apostles speaking to the Father or to the Son?
They were speaking to the Son – because they were speaking to the human they could see, touch, and hear. When you speak to someone, you speak to a “person”. Only the Son - Second Person of the Trinity - is hypostatically united to the human nature in Jesus. There is only one Person in Jesus.
 
Of course.
Our Triune God is omnipresent. Omnipresence is an attribute of Jesus’ **Divine **nature.

But when you speak of Jesus, you are speaking about the unique One who has two natures - a Divine nature and a true human nature. A Divine nature has the attribute of omnipresence, but a human nature does not. Thus, Our Lord’s glorified human body is not omnipresent.

The Second Person of the Trinity assumed a human nature, but that does not mean that His Divine nature was confined, so to speak, to the physical limits of His human body. In Jesus, (Second Person of the Trinity Incarnate) His Divine nature retained all of the Divine attributes and thus was and is always omnipresent. But His human nature, being a true human nature, has the attributes proper to that nature - both in the mortal state prior to death, and in the glorified, immortal state. In other words, the risen Lord continues to manifest omnipresence in His Divine nature, but His glorified human nature continues to manifest only the attibutes proper to risen glorified human bodies and souls. Omnipresence is not an attriute of human nature even in its risen glorified state.

At least, this is Aquinas’ teaching as I understand it. I don’t think the Church has ever defined just what all the attributes will be of risen, glorified bodies. One of those mysteries we’ll have to wait and find out for sure.
I thought that Jesus’ glorified body was basically accomodated into the Holy Trinity in such a way that that glorified body is omnipresent. Is that wrong?

When on earth, Jesus limited himself so that His Divine nature wouldn’t “swallow” the human nature. But after being glorified it’s all molded together–thus allowing omnipotence, right?
 
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