Where is the crucifix?

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I’ve heard of this in the past but don’t believe I’ve ever seen it in practice. I personally don’t feel right when I’m in a church and you can’t see the crucifix. We have a modernish church nearby and instead of a crucifix they have a huge, corpus-free cross hanging above the altar. I finally got around to asking about this and was told that they DO have a crucifix in the church and that “it counts” so they don’t need one on the altar. It’s 2 1/2 to 3 feet tall including the large base (versus the 15-20 foot tall cross), and is in a little grotto in a side alcove that you can’t easily see from most areas in the church, so unless you really look for it you’re not going to find it. That just doesn’t seem right to me.
 
I’ve heard of this in the past but don’t believe I’ve ever seen it in practice. I personally don’t feel right when I’m in a church and you can’t see the crucifix. We have a modernish church nearby and instead of a crucifix they have a huge, corpus-free cross hanging above the altar. I finally got around to asking about this and was told that they DO have a crucifix in the church and that “it counts” so they don’t need one on the altar. It’s 2 1/2 to 3 feet tall including the large base (versus the 15-20 foot tall cross), and is in a little grotto in a side alcove that you can’t easily see from most areas in the church, so unless you really look for it you’re not going to find it. That just doesn’t seem right to me.
So long as there is a Crucifix present during the Mass, this is most likely allowed.
There are directives for the construction of Church which I don’t have access to at the moment; however, when I do if something stands out I’ll post back.

I do know from the GIRM that having a Visible Crucifix Near the Alter outside of Mass (see below 308) is the preferred norm. I suspect that even a small Alter Cross left on or near the Alter would be sufficient. As for being in the side grotto and not visible… that I don’t know. I would say that if this really bothers you and you have addressed this with the Pastor of the Church, and you are not a normal parishioner, then your only other options are to first talk with your Pastor and after that contact the Chancery.

In the following text All of the underlines and bold are mine.The text is taken from the revised Roman Missle, for consistency sake I have kept the old abbreviation of GIRM:
GIRM: Chapter 4: Different Forms of Celebrating Mass
Section 1: Mass With a Congregation
Subsection: Mass without a Deacon
122. On reaching the altar, the priest and ministers make a profound bow.
The cross adorned with a figure of Christ crucified and perhaps carried in procession may be placed next to the altar to serve as the altar cross, in which case it ought to be the only cross used; otherwise it is put away in a dignified place. In addition, the candlesticks are placed on the altar or near it. It is a praiseworthy practice that the Book of the Gospels be placed upon the altar.
(note that this section is included in the other forms of celebrating Mass With a Congregation, either by reference or repeated in whole, wherein the Deacon, a Con-Celebrant, or the Bishop is present. Also within section 188 as part of the duties of the Acolyte)

GIRM Chapter 5: The Arrangement and Furnishing of Churches for the Celebration of the Eucharist
Section: 2. ARRANGEMENT OF THE SANCTUARY FOR THE SACRED SYNAXIS
Subsection: The Altar and Its Appointments
308. There is also to be a cross, with the figure of Christ crucified** upon it, either on the altar or near it,** where it is clearly visible to the assembled congregation. It is appropriate that such a cross, which calls to mind for the faithful the saving Passion of the Lord, remain near the altar even outside of liturgical celebrations.

Even if not visible from that side grotto, they may be interpreting the nearness of the Crucifix as being sufficient to satisfy this norm.

I am so blessed to have such an older parish.
We just renovated the main body of the church… no more greys and beige from the near iconoclastic move in the 70’s. She’s now full of color, the Roof in above the sanctuary is covered in stars on a dark royal blue sky. We found the old statues of Mary, and John that used to be next to the crucifix in the basement, had these refurbished and had to find a larger crucifix to match the one that used to hang with these. Of course we used to have a high alter at the very back which is long ago removed; thus, we’ve placed the Crucifix Mary and John there… and we have perpetual adoration.

Thank You for reminding me just how blessed my Parish is!
 
I’ve heard of this in the past but don’t believe I’ve ever seen it in practice. I personally don’t feel right when I’m in a church and you can’t see the crucifix. We have a modernish church nearby and instead of a crucifix they have a huge, corpus-free cross hanging above the altar. I finally got around to asking about this and was told that they DO have a crucifix in the church and that “it counts” so they don’t need one on the altar. It’s 2 1/2 to 3 feet tall including the large base (versus the 15-20 foot tall cross), and is in a little grotto in a side alcove that you can’t easily see from most areas in the church, so unless you really look for it you’re not going to find it. That just doesn’t seem right to me.
Gordon, I’m totally with you on that feeling.

I’ve seen a few, newer churches in my Archdiocese where that is the case, too. Ugh.

I’ve got crucifixes in almost every room in my house; over the years, people have just given them to me 'cause I’m “still a Catholic”. Many folks nowadays don’t want even one in their home. I find contemplating Christ crucified is very deep and comforting. Entering a Catholic church and not seeing a crucifix? Empty!
 
Section: 2. ARRANGEMENT OF THE SANCTUARY FOR THE SACRED SYNAXIS
Subsection: The Altar and Its Appointments
308. There is also to be a cross, with the figure of Christ crucifiedupon it,** either on the altar or near it,** where it is clearly visible to the assembled congregation. It is appropriate that such a cross, which calls to mind for the faithful the saving Passion of the Lord, remain near the altar *even outside of liturgical celebrations.
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I am so blessed to have such an older parish.
We just renovated the main body of the church… no more greys and beige from the near iconoclastic move in the 70’s. She’s now full of color, the Roof in above the sanctuary is covered in stars on a dark royal blue sky. We found the old statues of Mary, and John that used to be next to the crucifix in the basement, had these refurbished and had to find a larger crucifix to match the one that used to hang with these. Of course we used to have a high alter at the very back which is long ago removed; thus, we’ve placed the Crucifix Mary and John there… and we have perpetual adoration.

Thank You for reminding me just how blessed my Parish is!
Yep, this is what I was thinking (highlights above).

Re: your church. How nice!
Our large, old-time, beautifully painted Blessed Mother statue was relegated to the tiny 30-seat daily chapel where she stands in the corner with her arms outstretched to the early-morning attendees. St.Joseph was sold up the river to another parish long ago and word is they won’t give him up. The two statues that replaced them are small rough, modernistic 70’s wood-carved figures, whose features can’t be seen unless you are actually in the sanctuary, standing three feet from them. What a waste!
 
Yep, this is what I was thinking (highlights above).

Re: your church. How nice!
Our large, old-time, beautifully painted Blessed Mother statue was relegated to the tiny 30-seat daily chapel where she stands in the corner with her arms outstretched to the early-morning attendees. St.Joseph was sold up the river to another parish long ago and word is they won’t give him up. The two statues that replaced them are small rough, modernistic 70’s wood-carved figures, whose features can’t be seen unless you are actually in the sanctuary, standing three feet from them. What a waste!
Oh most sad!
We didn’t find the original high alter nor the old communion rail; however we did find the four statues, Mary, St. John, St. Francis and our Church’s patron saint in the basement all over 100+ years old so we now have the saints in the sanctuary to either side, then Mary and St. John at the base of the Crucifix.
Then we have St. Joesph and the Holy Mother flanking the sanctuary. So when you come up the center aisle… it’s breath taking. And they were all refurbished to the original colours…it’s like the building had gone thru Lent for over 40 years and one Easter (in fact the all of the work was mostly done before Easter) the building came alive again.
 
I’ve heard of this in the past but don’t believe I’ve ever seen it in practice. I personally don’t feel right when I’m in a church and you can’t see the crucifix. We have a modernish church nearby and instead of a crucifix they have a huge, corpus-free cross hanging above the altar. I finally got around to asking about this and was told that they DO have a crucifix in the church and that “it counts” so they don’t need one on the altar. It’s 2 1/2 to 3 feet tall including the large base (versus the 15-20 foot tall cross), and is in a little grotto in a side alcove that you can’t easily see from most areas in the church, so unless you really look for it you’re not going to find it. That just doesn’t seem right to me.
While it probably “counts” this seems to be opposed to, yes I will say it, the spirit of this rubric.

The crucifix is not some magic talisman that gives special powers to the priest when he says Mass. Rather, its purpose is to be seen, as a reminder. If it’s stuck in a corner somewhere, then it has to be asked, what’s the point? If it isn’t directly in the middle, then it should at least be as close as possible to the altar. Clearly the giant cross dominates and it sends a message that it is bigger than the crucifix.

Sometimes when people do stuff like this I really just want to ask them, “Why, what purpose, what do you think you’re accomplishing by doing that?”

Language like “it counts” sounds opposed to liturgical principles in the first place, ie, validity and even liceity isn’t the whole story. You wouldn’t sing an Advent song during Christmas, even if it is technically licit so to do. It’s just bad liturgy.
 
As a brand new Catholic here is my “take” on the no Crucifix.

Having been to communion 2x in my home church I look to the Crucifix while in line and after pondering, praying, thinking etc what Jesus went through while I am partaking in HIS body. This past weekend I went to K.C. area churches for some relatives first communions.

The first church… I could not see ANY, NONE, NOPE, NO Crucifix no Cross no where visible at the front of the church… now I didn’t think to look at the back of the church or the side alter area. So the partaking of the Body of Christ was … how to put it … lacking for me. Now to be fair I may have missed seeing a cross or crucifix but my wife noticed it as well.

The second church had a huge cross on the wall and also I don’t recall seeing a Crucifix but at least there was a cross.

Once again as a new Catholic yet old Christian I really like the Crucifix front, center and very visible.
 
As a brand new Catholic here is my “take” on the no Crucifix. (see comments above…)

Once again as a new Catholic yet old Christian I really like the Crucifix front, center and very visible.
Thanks for commenting. Its good to hear from the newcomers point of view. Welcome to the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church!
 
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