Where is this passage in the Bible?

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Does anyone know where the passage is in the Bible that says something to this effect: those who suffer the most are closest to the Lord? or those who suffer the most are closest to God? I simply cannot remember where I’ve read that! Please help! I need this for something I am writing! Thanks in advance, everyone! 🙂
 
Perhaps it is:

" Whom the Lord loves, He chastises." Hebrews 12:6
 
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Emmaus:
Perhaps it is:

" Whom the Lord loves, He chastises." Hebrews 12:6
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This is a similar notion but not the one I was looking for. Thank you anyway and God bless you! 🙂
 
Hey, y’all! Please help me find out where this passage is! I believe it is in the Gospel. Please help! Thanks! 🙂
 
Sweetchuck,

I laughed when I read your post. I too got my concordance out. I had to run to the garage to get it, but NightRider, you sounded like you really wanted help, so, with resources in hand and a vague recollection of the passage you referenced, I figured I’d be able to help out.

Strongs Concordance doesn’t seem to give what you’re looking for (although:

While this isn’t the passage you’re looking for, how much closer can one be than to be part of the same body. That the suffering of one is suffering for all members of the same body is clearly stated in 1 Corintians 12:11-27. See v26 for the reference to suffering. And if we feel the suffering and joy of all the members of the body of Christ, and Christ was crucified for us and is outside of time, then certainly one who feels suffering must be close to the head of the body and the suffering He underwent for our sakes.

Also in 1 Peter 2:19 “For whenever anyone bears the pain of unjust suffering because of consciousness of God, that is a grace.”

And 1 Peter 4:19 “As a result, those who suffer in accord with God’s will hand their souls over to a faithful creator as they do good” Not quite what you’re looking for, but the point is again made.

I wish you well in located the exact passage you seek. Why do you need it, if I might be so bold?

God Bless,

CARose
 
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APOLOGETICS: FORGOTTEN SCIENCE, LOST ART Jeffery Mirus, PH.D.**
"…In the preceding discussion, I have attempted to define the character of apologetics as a science, indicate the central arguments needed to defend the most important points of the Catholic faith, and suggest the sort of artistic efforts the apologist must make to have maximum effect. In so doing, I have also addressed our introductory problem—man’s flight from God, his fear that acceptance of Christianity will leave him poorer than before. I have said, in effect, that a scientific apologetics will put the mind of the unbeliever at rest by showing that the principles of faith enrich rather than weaken his reason, that a well-practiced apologetics can bring elements of beauty, joy and emotional kinship into the unbeliever’s life, and that apologetics based upon motives of credibility will draw men to Truth precisely by exposing them to the innate strength and attractiveness of Christ and the Church which they had not seen before. There is much more to be examined, however, if the apologist is to address thoroughly this fearful condition of modern man with respect to religion, and in this our first concern must be to analyze the specific fear that haunts people today and the specific forms their flight takes.[44] Perhaps the single most inclusive name for what people are afraid of both in general and with respect to Christianity is suffering. This is in many respects no different than at other times in history: People do not want to suffer, and they shrink from it. Moreover people instinctively attempt to adopt a general view of life which explains and conquers suffering, something which is also the self-conscious goal of any serious search for meaning amid the difficulties of human life. Indeed, since the historical disintegration of the Catholic world view, various religion substitutes have been developed which now serve as the vehicles or the objects of the flight from God and these religion substitutes each have a solution to suffering at their very core. They, along with suffering itself, make a special problem for the apologist which C. S. Lewis called the "problem of pain.“45] I believe there are three contemporary religion substitutes to be especially noted. By far the oldest is Progress…”.
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kepha1
 
Romans 8:16-17
16. The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17. and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if only we suffer with him so that we may also be glorified with him.

Phil 1:27-29
27. Only, conduct yourselves in a way worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that, whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear news of you, that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind struggling together for the faith of the gospel,
28. not intimidated in any way by your opponents. This is proof to them of destruction, but of your salvation. And this is God’s doing.
29. For to you has been granted, for the sake of Christ, not only to believe in him but also to suffer for him.
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Phil 3:8-11
8. More than that, I even consider everything as a loss because of the supreme good of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have accepted the loss of all things and I consider them so much rubbish, that I may gain Christ
9. and be found in him, not having any righteousness of my own based on the law but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God, depending on faith
10. to know him and the power of his resurrection and [the] sharing of his sufferings by being conformed to his death,
11. if somehow I may attain the resurrection from the dead.

1 Peter 2:19-22
*19. For whenever anyone bears the pain of unjust suffering because of consciousness of God, that is a grace.
20. But what credit is there if you are patient when beaten for doing wrong? But if you are patient when you suffer for doing what is good, this is a grace before God.
21. For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his footsteps. *
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1 Corinthians 4:9-16

For I think that God has exhibited us apostles as last of all, like men sentenced to death; because we have become a spectacle to the world, to angels and to men.
We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are wise in Christ. We are weak, but you are strong. You are held in honor, but we in disrepute.
To the present hour we hunger and thirst, we are ill-clad and buffeted and homeless,
and we labor, working with our own hands. When reviled, we bless; when persecuted, we endure;
when slandered, we try to conciliate; we have become, and are now, as the refuse of the world, the offscouring of all things.
I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children.
For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
I urge you, then, be imitators of me.
 
Wow, thank you for all the outpouring, everyone! All fine posts here and thank you to those with concordances for looking up suffering. I haven’t yet looked at all the links provided but will do so soon. I am beginning to believe that the quote I am thinking about may have actually not been Biblical, and possibly from a Church Father or another religious. Wish I could remember! Ah me, middle age! Thank you, everyone, for providing me with so many passages and links, each one of them helps! God bless all! 🙂
 
Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 ¶ If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
26 ¶ But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
 
Night Rider,

What brings you to search for this particular quote? I too recall something of the sort, and from when I was younger, rather than something I’ve read in my more recent reversion when I’ve explored a deeper range of Catholic Literature.

Whatever you want it for, I hope some of what we’ve found helps. I’d love to hear where all this goes.

CARose
 
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CARose:
Night Rider,

What brings you to search for this particular quote? I too recall something of the sort, and from when I was younger, rather than something I’ve read in my more recent reversion when I’ve explored a deeper range of Catholic Literature.

Whatever you want it for, I hope some of what we’ve found helps. I’d love to hear where all this goes.

CARose
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Well, there are two reasons I’m looking for this particular quote. The first reason is that I was especially moved by it when I read it, as I had suffered traumatically as a child. The second reason is I have a friend who has also suffered a great deal, but mostly as an adult, and I am in the process of writing him something about it. I still have to check some of the links provided above in this thread to see if any of them are the ones, but so far I have not found it. I am beginning to think I made it up myself!!! :o Anyway, thank you for asking, and I’ll keep posting here when I learn anything. Many blessings! 🙂
 
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kepha1:
Suffering

Over 6 Gospel references, and 25 epistle references, and 1 Rev. reference.scripturecatholic.com/suffering.html

Pope John Paul II, The Mystery of Human Suffering
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_11021984_salvifici-doloris_en.html

That otta do it!

kepha1
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Thank you for these links, kepha1, they are really great. So far I haven’t looked up all the Biblical quotations listed but I will try that very soon–it might take a wee while! Many blessings!
 
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rayne89:
Romans 8:16-17
16. The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
17. and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if only we suffer with him so that we may also be glorified with him.

Phil 1:27-29
27. Only, conduct yourselves in a way worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that, whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear news of you, that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind struggling together for the faith of the gospel,
28. not intimidated in any way by your opponents. This is proof to them of destruction, but of your salvation. And this is God’s doing.
29. For to you has been granted, for the sake of Christ, not only to believe in him but also to suffer for him.

Phil 3:8-11
8. More than that, I even consider everything as a loss because of the supreme good of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have accepted the loss of all things and I consider them so much rubbish, that I may gain Christ
9. and be found in him, not having any righteousness of my own based on the law but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God, depending on faith
10. to know him and the power of his resurrection and [the] sharing of his sufferings by being conformed to his death,
11. if somehow I may attain the resurrection from the dead.

1 Peter 2:19-22
19. For whenever anyone bears the pain of unjust suffering because of consciousness of God, that is a grace.
20. But what credit is there if you are patient when beaten for doing wrong? But if you are patient when you suffer for doing what is good, this is a grace before God.
*21. For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his footsteps. *

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These are beautiful, rayne89, thank you! I’m still not seeing the one I wanted but these are quite beautiful, and thank you for putting so much work into your post for me. May God bless you one-hundredfold! 👍
 
Thank you, everyone, for doing such fine work for me here! All of you have offered me much to work with and many beautiful citations. Unfortunately, none of them are ringing the bell, so to speak, as the original quote I was looking for. Nonetheless, you all have offered me many gems and I value each and every one of them. Maybe someday it will come back to me, where I read the quote I was looking for! Maybe it will pop up again somewhere, who knows? Anyway, God bless all of you and have a very happy Christmastide!
 
Here are one or two:

2 Tim 3:12 “All who desire to live Godly in Christ Jesus, will be persecuted”

2 Tim 2:3 “Suffer hardship with me as a good soldier of Christ Jesus”

2 Tim 1:8 “Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God,”

and…

2 Tim 1:12 For this reason I also suffer these things, but I am not ashamed; for I know whom I have believed and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him until that day

hope this helps
 
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Northwind:
Here are one or two:

2 Tim 3:12 “All who desire to live Godly in Christ Jesus, will be persecuted”

2 Tim 2:3 “Suffer hardship with me as a good soldier of Christ Jesus”

2 Tim 1:8 “Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me His prisoner, but join with me in suffering for the gospel according to the power of God,”

and…

2 Tim 1:12 For this reason I also suffer these things, but I am not ashamed; for I know whom I have believed and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him until that day

hope this helps
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Thank you, Northwind, for the beautiful citations, but the one I am looking for specifically says that those who suffer the most are the closer to God (or to the Lord). I am starting to think the quote I am looking for is not Biblical and may just be a quote from one of the Church Fathers, or from another Catholic source. Thanks anyway, though, and many blessings! 🙂
 
How about wisdom 3:5? 👋

Having been disciplined a little, they will receive great good, because God tested them and found them worthy of himself.
 
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