Where the protestant communities that developed from the Reformation Germanic in culture?

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That’s interesting, can you say more about that House?
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Sure.

For example, Italy had loads of proto protestant dissent movements of various stripes, the Pataria, the Dulcinites, the Waldensians, etc.

And folks who were highly critical of the Church leadership such as Savonarola.

Even during the Reformation, Italy produced some great and talented reformation theologians.

But it collapsed quickly only due to its proximity to centralized Roman Catholic power and an efficient (and brutal) Inquisition. The Italians protestants who wanted to remain so had to go to more friendly environs. It had very little to do with Italians being more or less “community based” and everything to do with those protestants living too close to central Catholc power.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Sure.

For example, Italy had loads of proto protestant dissent movements of various stripes, the Pataria, the Dulcinites, the Waldensians, etc.

And folks who were highly critical of the Church leadership such as Savonarola.

Even during the Reformation, Italy produced some great and talented reformation theologians.

But it collapsed quickly only due to its proximity to centralized Roman Catholic power and an efficient (and brutal) Inquisition. The Italians protestants who wanted to remain so had to go to more friendly environs. It had very little to do with Italians being more or less “community based” and everything to do with those protestants living too close to central Catholc power.
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Have you ever bothered to note that each and every one of them was teaching disobedience if not outright heresy and leading the faithful astray? Could that just possibly be the reason that they were opposed? Yours must be a very uncomfortable position, as you appear to support that which would have created even more division in the Body of Christ.

The elephant in the reformer’s living room is the 2,000 year old Eastern Orthodox Church - whose history, structure and doctrines are eerily similar to the equally 2,000 year old Catholic Church (with certain exceptions). Are they 100% in error, too? They trace directly to Christ via the Apostles. Very difficult to fault those bona fides.

Both Churches with inarguable history and connections to Christ have separately studied and rejected the reformation. There is supposed to be a message in that.
 
Tomyris said:
Are you sure?

It seems to me you are answering the OP with a yes without backup. That’s no fun.🙂
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Oh, there were earlier heretics, Berengarius of Tours being just one example, but I will go way out on a limb and assert that the “protestant reformation” basically began in Germany. The last I checked, the doors of the Cathedral in Wittenberg were (and are) in Germany.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Sure.

For example, Italy had loads of proto protestant dissent movements of various stripes, the Pataria, the Dulcinites, the Waldensians, etc.

And folks who were highly critical of the Church leadership such as Savonarola.

Even during the Reformation, Italy produced some great and talented reformation theologians.

But it collapsed quickly only due to its proximity to centralized Roman Catholic power and an efficient (and brutal) Inquisition. The Italians protestants who wanted to remain so had to go to more friendly environs. It had very little to do with Italians being more or less “community based” and everything to do with those protestants living too close to central Catholc power.
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There have been heresies and schisms for 2000 years. But that doesn’t mean that they were “Protestants.” Protestantism shares a few specific characteristics, which these earlier schisms do not. While you may consider them similar in many aspects, they do not posses the same identifying characteristics as Protestantism.
  1. They do not subscribe to BOTH Sola Scriptura and Sola Fida as defined by Luther or further changed by later reformers.
  2. They did not consider Luther’s list of Old Testament Books as the only inspired Old Testament books (yes I know that some Protestants, like Anglicans consider them important, but they do not consider them inspired)
  3. believe in the priesthood of believers
  4. deny the Seven Sacraments as known to the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Church of the East Churches
  5. yet still believe in the Trinity
  6. still baptize in The Name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit
Protestants ALL meet of the above. Other schismatic may have met parts of this list, but none of the met all six without have a very alternate theology

This is also why some groups like Mormons and Jehovah’s Witness are not Protestant (or Christian for that matter)
 
po18guy said:
Have you ever bothered to note that each and every one of them was teaching disobedience if not outright heresy and leading the faithful astray? Could that just possibly be the reason that they were opposed? Yours must be a very uncomfortable position, as you appear to support that which would have created even more division in the Body of Christ.

The elephant in the reformer’s living room is the 2,000 year old Eastern Orthodox Church - whose history, structure and doctrines are eerily similar to the equally 2,000 year old Catholic Church (with certain exceptions). Are they 100% in error, too? They trace directly to Christ via the Apostles. Very difficult to fault those bona fides.

Both Churches with inarguable history and connections to Christ have separately studied and rejected the reformation. There is supposed to be a message in that.
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Opposed? You make it sound like there was some stern words, and a wag of the finger. No some of them were crushed mercilessly, which their followers tortured and murdered.

Like Savanorola, which heresy was he teaching specifically? No, his only crime was speaking out against the depravity of the leadership of the RCC. And running afoul of a pope named Borgia.

What message is there that the EO and RC both reject the Reformation? That truth is somehow decided by majority vote?

The EO has studied and rejected the claims of Rome, is there a message in that?
 
Christians have always debated and disagreed.

The Way versus the Gnostics in the 1st century.

The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox.

The Calvinists and the Baptist.

The Shakers and the Quakers.

Let’s all be respectful and agree not to persecute and judge.

God sent his son to save all who would believe.
 
Micko said:
Christians have always debated and disagreed.

The Way versus the Gnostics in the 1st century.

The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox.

The Calvinists and the Baptist.

The Shakers and the Quakers.

Let’s all be respectful and agree not to persecute and judge.

God sent his son to save all who would believe.
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lol Where’s the “fun” in that?
 
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