Where was Lazarus during the 4 days he was dead?

[JustThinking]

Ps 146

4His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; In that very day his thoughts perish

Eccl 9.5

The living are conscience they will die but the dead are conscience of nothing at all

Jesus offered the hope of heaven but to a group , not everyone.

He said " truly among men there has not been born a greater man than John the baptist but a person who is a lesser one in the kingdom of god is greater than he .

A common teaching today is that all good people go to heaven and bad go to hell. Seems that would be all over the bible but it is not anywhere.

Show me one verse where Jesus said all good people go to heaven. All !

Also when was the last time you went to a funeral and they announced this person was going to hell. Lots of people go to hell you say but no one you know right?

 

[JustThinking]

The soul is immortal. It doesn’t sleep and it doesn’t die. newadvent.org/cathen/14153a.htm

Not true at all

Eze 18:4 " the soul that is sinning it itself will die"

wouldn’t the supposed fact that we keep living after death be
Vital information to all those who lived before Jesus?

Yet where are the scriptures that show that Able went to heaven
How about Noah?

Lazarus was dead… Jesus called it sleeping …
Why not just say lazarus is in heaven be happy for him
Or in purgatory ?

Because he was just dead.

 

[steve_b]

The soul is immortal. It doesn’t sleep and it doesn’t die. newadvent.org/cathen/14153a.htm

Not true at all

Eze 18:4 " the soul that is sinning it itself will die"

seems you’ve taken liberties with that quote
JT:

wouldn’t the supposed fact that we keep living after death be
Vital information to all those who lived before Jesus?

Yet where are the scriptures that show that Able went to heaven
How about Noah?

1 Pet 3:

He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive,* he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits*— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah …

How does Jesus converse with all those who are dead, if they are dead in the way you think death is.? They wouldn’t be able to understand Him. They obviously aren’t in heaven, but they are imprisoned, and they can fully understand who Jesus is and what He is teaching them. Therefore, while the body is dead, their spirit is fully aware. It’s also important to recognize, Noah was thousands of years before Peter gave this informatiion. Imagine being aware of where you are for thousands of years and it isn’t heaven, and you couldn’t do anything about it?
JT:

Lazarus was dead… Jesus called it sleeping …
Why not just say lazarus is in heaven be happy for him
Or in purgatory ?

Because he was just dead.

Jesus told the story of the “Rich man & Lazarus” Lk 16:…

• both Lazarus and the rich man were dead in the flesh but fully alive in the spirit. In their new reality after the body was dead, both experienced and were fully aware of their new circumstances. They had their memory intellect and will, fully intact… They were NOT asleep as you suppose…
• How can they experience what Jesus said they are experiencing, if they are dead in the way you think death exists?

 

[JustThinking]

I am not speaking of a parable. I am talking about Jesus close friend Lazarus
Who when Jesus was told of his death wept. Jesus told his apostles he was alseep.
They thought he meant actual sleep and Jesus said no he is dead.

I think you are taking your modern beliefs and trying to force history to fit your reasoning instead of looking for truth.

People of ancient history can’t be dead because that would not fit our reasoning so there must be a holding place for them to wait.

Maybe it was just that simple … Dead with possibility of a future resurrection

 

[JustThinking]

I would have to assume that having an immortal soul
If true, would have always been true.

So in all the scripture and history before Jesus
especially early on, this would be commonly believed.

Wouldn’t we have many scriptures in the OT of people goIng to heaven
and telling their offspring they would live on after death?

 

[JustThinking]

I Peter 3:18-20
“For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison, who once were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.”

******* What are these “spirits in prison”? Many people reading the word “spirits” in this passage translate it in their minds to dead people that supposedly live now (as spirits) in a prison. Such an understanding however is not founded on the Word of God, and here is why: the Word of God does not use the word “spirit” to denote dead, non-resurrected, men. To understand what are the spirits in prison, we need to look at the Word of God and see how it uses this word plus to take into consideration other references of the Bible on the subject described in the above verses of I Peter. For indeed the Word of God speaks not in just one but in four different places about what I Peter 3:19 speaks about. But first of all, let’s see what could these spirits in prison be. As we said, they could NOT be dead men. Despite the fact that our age uses the word spirit for dead men that are supposedly living somewhere without resurrection, the Bible does not use this word with such a meaning. It does however use this word to denote angelic beings. As Hebrews 1:13-14 says:

 

[James224]

Where was Lazarus’ spirit during the 4 days he was dead? Was he just plainly “asleep”, or was he in Sheol? Abraham’s Bosom?

This is a question I have been pondering.

I’ve heard either Abraham’s Bosom or Purgatory. Before Christ descended into Hell, there were 3 abodes within Hell: Abraham’s Bosom, Purgatory and the Hell of the Damned. After he freed those in Abraham’s Bosom and took the old testament saints into heaven when He opened it, there were then 2. Now it is ok to think that Purgatory could be sort of an antechamber of heaven. There are verses that may support it but St. Thomas and St. Robert Bellarmine thought Purgatory was in the upper part of hell. The church has never defined where Purgatory is but only has said that it exists.

 

[itullian]

did he tell anyone what it was like?

 

[steve_b]

I am not speaking of a parable. I am talking about Jesus close friend Lazarus Who when Jesus was told of his death wept. Jesus told his apostles he was alseep. They thought he meant actual sleep and Jesus said no he is dead. I think you are taking your modern beliefs and trying to force history to fit your reasoning instead of looking for truth.

Are you saying a parable isn’t true? Wasn’t Jesus the one telling the story? Would He lie about the particulars of the story He’s telling, mentioning specifically Abraham & Lazarus , and only the rich man was not mentioned by name?

• How many people in all of scripture were named Abraham?
• Who was this Lazarus there with Abraham?
• At this point, Abraham has been dead for at least 4000 years. Yet he is having a dialogue with the rich man who is also dead, but in a place of terrible suffering in the after life.

Obviously they aren’t asleep. Obviously Jesus is personalizing this story. And since He is the one who judges the living and the dead, I’d say He wants us to know that the afterlife is real and there are different experiences one feels depending on how they believed and lived in this life…
JT:

People of ancient history can’t be dead because that would not fit our reasoning so there must be a holding place for them to wait.

Maybe it was just that simple … Dead with possibility of a future resurrection

And if there is no resurrection they remain dead, no concept of anything,? Nice try but :nope:

 

[steve_b]

I would have to assume that having an immortal soul
If true, would have always been true.

And it is always true
JT:

So in all the scripture and history before Jesus
especially early on, this would be commonly believed.

Wouldn’t we have many scriptures in the OT of people goIng to heaven
and telling their offspring they would live on after death?

The OT was types and shadows of things to come. There was alot more to learn in the NT. Jews of the OT were of 2 camps. Pharisees believed in the resurrection, the Sadducees did not. Obviously one is going to live a different life and expect a different outcome depending on what camp you are from. The Pharisees believed in the law + prophets, the Sadducees believed in only the Torah, the 1st 5 books. Not much to look forward to if you’re a Sadducee. Truth is, they got the shock of their life when they died.