Where We Got the Bible

[Mannyfit75]

What you consider as the complete edition is actually the complete edition plus books that are NOT inspired by God. The apocrypha which Catholic bibles include (and so do our Anglican ones) are not books that you can establish church teaching by bcause they contradict other inspired books in the Bible and too, many of these books of the apocrypha contain several proven errors chronologically and otherwise.

The Early Christians used those so called Apocrypha Books. Jews did not consider them inspired. The same Jews who denied Jesus as the Messiah and the same Jews who condemned Jesus Christ to death.

I have actually read the those books and there are No chronological errors which you spoke of. None at all!

 

[Mannyfit75]

may I say that those books are still found in the Bibles of the Orthodox church.

They are. Protestants are the only who throw away those books.

 

[Mannyfit75]

To the Non-Catholics here. If you wish to discuss this you ought to read the Book which Maria bought. I also have a copy of the book myself.

 

[paarsurrey]

and guided by the Holy Spirit,

Hi

How do you know that they were guided by the Holy Spirit?

Thanks

The ultimate truth about Jesus is that:

1. JesusYeshuaIssa did not leave the Word of God or anything in writing revealed on him from GodAllahYHWH in the form of stone tablets as was in the case of Moses.
2. Or anything written by JesusYeshuaIssa himself as a biography when he left from Galilee, after the incident of Crucifixion, alongwith his mother Mary in search of the lost ten tribes of the house of Israel, he died natural and peaceful death in Kashmir, India.
3. Jesus left nothing behind authenticated by him, in possession of the Church, as there was none in existence.
4. We do respect the NTGospels which have account of Jesus life, but it does not have much utility for a non-Catholic except that we may treat it as a book of history subject to scrutiny, internal as well as external, for each bit of event for finding truth in it on merit.

 

[Nella]

The Early Christians used those so called Apocrypha Books. Jews did not consider them inspired. The same Jews who denied Jesus as the Messiah and the same Jews who condemned Jesus Christ to death.

I have actually read the those books and there are No chronological errors which you spoke of. None at all!

thats not so Manny. There are many. Would you like some examples?? I can give you many.

 

[Nella]

As the book shows, the early Christian Church was the Catholic Church. I have no problem with posters disagreeing with me, but I am trying to discuss the book. If there are parts where folks disagree with the book, please let me know what part you disgreed with (chapter and page number etc). That will help keep things focused and prevent the thread from being hijacked.

Sincerely,

Maria1212

The Early Christian church was not the Roman church. i will take anyone to task on that and succeed. If the Roman church existed before Scripture was written, then why does it not mention the church centered in Rome?? Thats a very fair question.

 

[repo_man]

Hi

How do you know that they were guided by the Holy Spirit?

Thanks

don’t want to answer for the person you’re asking, but i want to give it a shot:

pentecost is regarded as the birth of the catholic church. it’s when the holy spirit is said to have descended upon the disciples of christ and inspired them and enabled them with the ability to spread god’s word. through apostolic succession, precendented by matthias, it can be inferred that the church is always activating under the wing of the holy spirit.

i suppose the only evidence the bible is guided by the holy spirit being IN the bible is circular logic. it’s faith, man. i mean the only proof you have for the qur’an being handed down from god himself is in the qur’an. unless there’s a video on youtube i missed.

The Early Christian church was not the Roman church.

where did she say roman? roman rite =/= catholic. it’s the center of the church now, but peter not living in vatican city doesn’t negate that it was the one universal christian church.

 

[VWcrazy]

If the Roman church existed before Scripture was written, then why does it not mention the church centered in Rome?? Thats a very fair question.

Where does Scriptures say that it contains every detail?

 

[JMJ_coder]

Hello,

The Early Christian church was not the Roman church. i will take anyone to task on that and succeed. If the Roman church existed before Scripture was written, then why does it not mention the church centered in Rome?? Thats a very fair question.

So as to not derail this thread I have started a new one. Please join in.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=179325

 

[allischalmers]

I read Graham’s book and the feeling that I got is that it was written by an angry old man that hated Protestents

 

[Mannyfit75]

thats not so Manny. There are many. Would you like some examples?? I can give you many.

Go ahead but I doubt it will change any of my beliefs.

 

[Theist]

I read Graham’s book and the feeling that I got is that it was written by an angry old man that hated Protestents

That’s pretty close to the same feeling I got reading though it. I mean, if he ever attempted to give examples to try to prove any of his claims, I might have felt differently.

 

[Mannyfit75]

This book is more fair and balance book than Graham’s Book.

amazon.com/Why-Catholic-Bibles-Are-Bigger/dp/1581880103/ref=sr_1_12/105-7004745-1053260?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188163772&sr=8-12

It’s called Why Catholic Bibles Are Bigger: The Untold Story of the Lost Books of the Protestant Bible (Paperback)
by Gary G. Michuta (Author)

 

[Maria1212]

This book is more fair and balance book than Graham’s Book.

amazon.com/Why-Catholic-Bibles-Are-Bigger/dp/1581880103/ref=sr_1_12/105-7004745-1053260?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188163772&sr=8-12

It’s called Why Catholic Bibles Are Bigger: The Untold Story of the Lost Books of the Protestant Bible (Paperback)
by Gary G. Michuta (Author)

Thanks Manny. I will check that book out too. I will respond to everyone`s posts tonght when I get home from work.

Sincerely,

Maria1212

 

[Nella]

More correctly, in SOME…

The Prayer of Manasseh is a short work of only 15 verses that purports to be the penitential prayer of the Judean king Manasseh, who is recorded in the Bible as one of the most idolatrous (2 Kings 21:1-18). However, after having been taken captive by the Assyrians, he prays for mercy (2 Chronicles 33:10-17) and turns from his idolatrous ways.

The Prayer of Manasseh is included in certain editions of the Greek Septuagint; for example, the fifth-century Codex Alexandrinus includes the prayer among fourteen Odes appearing just after the Psalms.[1] It also appears in an appendix to the Latin Vulgate, and in the apocrypha of the King James Bible. It is also considered apocryphal by Catholics, and by Jews and Protestants alike. Clement VIII included the book in an appendix to the Vulgate stating that it should continue to be read “lest it perish entirely.” In some editions of the Septuagint, it forms a part of the Book of Odes. It is accepted as a deuterocanonical book by some Orthodox Christians, though it does not appear in Bibles printed in modern Greece, no matter whether these Bibles are in ancient or in modern Greek language. In the Ethiopian Bible, this text appears within 2 Chronicles. The book appears in ancient Syriac, Old Slavonic, Ethiopic, and Armenian translations.[2]

The Prayer of Manasseh is chanted during the Orthodox Christian service of Great Compline. It is also used as a canticle in the Daily Office of the 1979 U.S. Book of Common Prayer.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_of_Manasses

Some books such as the Didache aren’t in the Bible but are still used by our Church.

thanks for the info.

 

[Nella]

Where does Scriptures say that it contains every detail?

Depicting the church being in Rome can hardly be dismissed as being part of every detail.

 

[VWcrazy]

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Originally Posted by VWcrazy forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
Where does Scriptures say that it contains every detail?

Depicting the church being in Rome can hardly be dismissed as being part of every detail.
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That didn’t answer the question.

 

[paarsurrey]

don’t want to answer for the person you’re asking, but i want to give it a shot:
pentecost is regarded as the birth of the catholic church. it’s when the holy spirit is said to have descended upon the disciples of christ and inspired them and enabled them with the ability to spread god’s word. through apostolic succession, precendented by matthias, it can be inferred that the church is always activating under the wing of the holy spirit.
i suppose the only evidence the bible is guided by the holy spirit being IN the bible is circular logic. it’s faith, man.

Hi

Thank you for responding. I don’t want to debate with you I will only discuss to understand what you believe and to make you understand what I believe.
My faith is not based on a circular logic, which could be termed as a blind faith.
Only those person who receive Word of revelation from the mouth GodAllahYHWH, they also get inspiration. JesusYeshuaIssa did receive Word of revelation from the mouth of GodAllahYHWH, so he could receive inspiration from GodAllahYHWH also. The disciples could not be inspired from GodAllahYHWH as they did not receive, to my knowledge, any revelation from God.

I am not criticizing your religion, I only want to understand the truth with reasons.

Thanks

 

[Montalban]

Depicting the church being in Rome can hardly be dismissed as being part of every detail.

That’s okay as an answer to Catholics, but what about us Orthodox?

Where does the Bible say that it contains all that is necessary?

If it’s so all-encompassing, why even have bible commentaries?

 

[Montalban]

That didn’t answer the question.

It answered *another *question and that’s a start! But in essence Nella’s answer to your question is not to answer that question but to attack Rome’s position - which is another matter.