Which apostle overheard Christ at Gethsemane?

[Tamsulosin]

Weren’t the apostles asleep when Christ said “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me” .So I am confused as to how do we know these were our Lord’s words?

 

[Della]

Gethsemane was not the last place/time the Apostles spoke with the Lord. You’re forgetting that Jesus spent 40 days with the Apostles before he ascended into heaven. He told them many things during that time they hadn’t known/understood.

 

[Peter_Dawson]

Gethsemane was not the last place/time the Apostles spoke with the Lord. You’re forgetting that Jesus spent 40 days with the Apostles before he ascended into heaven. He told them many things during that time they hadn’t known/understood.

Good answer! Della, I think I like you!

 

[Cachonga]

I would add that John 14:6 says, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. "

 

[Nita]

Also, that may have been one of the first things Our Lord said in prayer - while they were still awake and could hear. They may have fallen asleep at some point after.

 

[Tamsulosin]

Thank you for your replies.
Tam

 

[Tamsulosin]

Another answer that I thought of could be that the Gospels were dictated or inspired by the Holy Spirit, who of course knows everything.

 

[catharina]

I would add that John 14:6 says, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. "

And so it is. Our Lord has (as always) kept His promises to His Church.
Your personal claim to a grasp of CATHOLIC doctrine is staggering (contradictory).

PS - Must add, to avoid confusion, that cachonga has begun a different thread stating that as a FORMER Catholic he rejects the Marian dogma of the Catholic Church, the same Catholic Church wherein the Holy Spirit teaches all things unto this very day.

 

[newbetx]

Also, that may have been one of the first things Our Lord said in prayer - while they were still awake and could hear. They may have fallen asleep at some point after.

That’s what I figured. He was gone an hour… now in those days, how did they know this? Did everyone have a mobile hour glass?

 

[NotWorthy]

Another answer that I thought of could be that the Gospels were dictated or inspired by the Holy Spirit, who of course knows everything.

I wouldn’t say “dictated”. The New Testament authors wrote what was on their minds, and probably weren’t aware that the Holy Spirit insured what was one their minds.

 

[Della]

That’s what I figured. He was gone an hour… now in those days, how did they know this? Did everyone have a mobile hour glass?

You’re assuming they had the modern habit of relying on watches and clocks to tell the time. Ancient peoples had a greater sense of time precisely because they didn’t have clocks to tell them the time. In our day peoples who have no time pieces are much better at determining how much time has passed than those brought up to rely on time pieces. In the Psalms David talks about the “watchman awaiting the dawn”. Every large community had watchmen who keep track of the “watches of the night.” Jerusalem would have been no different.

 

[mbgumby28]

Matthew 26:36-37
“Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to his disciples, ‘Sit here while I go over there and pray.’ He took along Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to feel sorrow and distress.”

Mark 14:32-33
“Then they came to a place named Gethsemane, and he said to his disciples, ‘Sit here while I pray.’ He took with him Peter, James, and John, and began to be troubled and distressed.”

In the these verses here Jesus took with him Peter, James, and John before he prayed. It’s likely that one, two, or all of three of them overheard him before falling asleep.

 

[NotWorthy]

Nobody heard Jesus when He was in the wilderness for 40 days and being tempted by Satan. Why did they have to hear Him at Gethsemane. As mentioned by another poster, if Jesus thought it was important enough to make it into the Gospels, than He certainly could have told the Apostles what He said.

 

[Evan]

That’s what I figured. He was gone an hour… now in those days, how did they know this? Did everyone have a mobile hour glass?

Yes they did.

I lived a summer in the woods (sleeping out every night). By the end of the summer I could tell the time by the position of the Big Dipper. That night in Gethsemani was within a day of a Full Moon so look at the moon, know the time.

 

[newbetx]

You’re assuming they had the modern habit of relying on watches and clocks to tell the time. Ancient peoples had a greater sense of time precisely because they didn’t have clocks to tell them the time. In our day peoples who have no time pieces are much better at determining how much time has passed than those brought up to rely on time pieces. In the Psalms David talks about the “watchman awaiting the dawn”. Every large community had watchmen who keep track of the “watches of the night.” Jerusalem would have been no different.

Ah, thanks… the “4 O’clock and all is well” type thing. Being close to a city would enable that. And of course there are the stars, if not cloudy or traking the moon. Yes they did have other ways. I always pictured the garden as far from noise and such… but I don’t know that geography of the day.

 

[newbetx]

Yes they did.

I lived a summer in the woods (sleeping out every night). By the end of the summer I could tell the time by the position of the Big Dipper. That night in Gethsemani was within a day of a Full Moon so look at the moon, know the time.

It’s one thing to know how much time has elapsed, I guess. It just seems overwhelming to know what time it is when there are so many variables… sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset, day of the year (the calendar wasn’t even 365 days back then). So many variables to keep track of.
I don’t wish to derail the thread. I appreciate the comments and I understand now how time was estimated.