Which are the devout Muslims

[Jaguar]

I’m confused. Why are Muslims that are called “Extremists”, called so, when they are doing the will of their founder, Mohammed and following the teachings of his Koran … of which he, himself lived by?

I realize that many Muslims called “Moderates”, are good people, but they are the one’s that do not seem to truly follow the will of founder.

Is the media trying to be politically correct, when in fact they are being inaccurate and misleading.

 

[Bev17243]

I’m confused. Why are Muslims that are called “Extremists”, called so, when they are doing the will of their founder, Mohammed and following the teachings of his Koran … of which he, himself lived by?

I realize that many Muslims called “Moderates”, are good people, but they are the one’s that do not seem to truly follow the will of founder.

Is the media trying to be politically correct, when in fact they are being inaccurate and misleading.

Well, many people in the West are completely unaware what the Quran actually teaches and think that its just like the Judaism or Christianity when nothing can be further from the truth. I have read the Quran and i can assure you that so called “extremists” are not extremists at all-they are just following the teaching of Quran that DO tell them to kill infidels and Jews, and anyone who leaves Islam. ( and i can provide quotes if anyone wants it).And yes, media doesn’t report this accurately because of the political correctness which i personally find disgusting. There are Muslim people who are decent people but they are NOT following Quranic teaching.

 

[jakasaki]

There is no such thing as a moderate muslim…

If they DO EXIST, they are silent

There is no such thing as a “PIOUS” muslim

If they DO EXIST, they are silent

All muslims follow the koran, the sunna of mohamd & the hadith/ahadiths…

 

[Jaguar]

Well, many people in the West are completely unaware what the Quran actually teaches and think that its just like the Judaism or Christianity when nothing can be further from the truth. I have read the Quran and i can assure you that so called “extremists” are not extremists at all-they are just following the teaching of Quran that DO tell them to kill infidels and Jews, and anyone who leaves Islam. ( and i can provide quotes if anyone wants it).And yes, media doesn’t report this accurately because of the political correctness which i personally find disgusting. There are Muslim people who are decent people but they are NOT following Quranic teaching.

Yes, I’ve seen those quotes. There are many, and they are frightening. Look how Europe and other parts of the world are changing. If I’m not mistaken, they are growing faster than any other faith and imposing their will, and way of life, by violence & intimidation.

I believe this will be the greatest threat and challenge of this new century.

 

[jakasaki]

Yes, I’ve seen those quotes. There are many, and they are frightening. Look how Europe and other parts of the world are changing. If I’m not mistaken, they are growing faster than any other faith and imposing their will, and way of life, by violence & intimidation.

I believe this will be the greatest threat and challenge of this new century.

It’s only growing due to birth rate…!! Once a muslim that’s it… you can check in - but you can’t check out…!!!

Leaving the faith of islam is under the penalty of death - apostates are to be given a chance to return to islam or be killed.

They do not have free will to leave the faith…

 

[agent_grey]

The only devout muslim is the Arian Catholic.

 

[JeanMichel]

I’m confused. Why are Muslims that are called “Extremists”, called so, when they are doing the will of their founder, Mohammed and following the teachings of his Koran … of which he, himself lived by?

I realize that many Muslims called “Moderates”, are good people, but they are the one’s that do not seem to truly follow the will of founder.

Is the media trying to be politically correct, when in fact they are being inaccurate and misleading.

I live in Abu Dhabi and I am surrounded by Muslims. I can only share my experience. As a people they are kind, full of charity toward others, and have only rarely asked about my religion. Never once has anyone asked me to read a Qur’an and I have never felt pressured to do anything “with” Islam. St Joseph’s is the local Catholic Church; St Andrews is the Anglican congregation. I also think there are other churches locally.

I have talked about terrorism and Bin Laden with local Muslims. They have all stated that their/his actions have nothing to do with Islam.

For me, I have come to love the people here. Their call to prayer also helps me to keep God more prevalent in my daily life. I have not asked local Muslims about the quotes in the Qur’an you are talking about, but many of them have said that we all worship the same God and that we are brothers and sisters. These that have said this to me I felt were quite sincere.

 

[Sam_777]

I’m confused. Why are Muslims that are called “Extremists”, called so, when they are doing the will of their founder, Mohammed and following the teachings of his Koran … of which he, himself lived by?

I realize that many Muslims called “Moderates”, are good people, but they are the one’s that do not seem to truly follow the will of founder.

Is the media trying to be politically correct, when in fact they are being inaccurate and misleading.

Well, many people in the West are completely unaware what the Quran actually teaches and think that its just like the Judaism or Christianity when nothing can be further from the truth. I have read the Quran and i can assure you that so called “extremists” are not extremists at all-they are just following the teaching of Quran that DO tell them to kill infidels and Jews, and anyone who leaves Islam. ( and i can provide quotes if anyone wants it).And yes, media doesn’t report this accurately because of the political correctness which i personally find disgusting. There are Muslim people who are decent people but they are NOT following Quranic teaching.

I agree with both of you, that proves that Islam is a man made religion not a heavenly one and not possible to implement by the majority…

If someone would live 100% according to the teaching of Islam, then he/she would be called extremist or terrorist, take for example Usama Bin Laden and his group Alqaida, and if someone chooses to implement 90% of it then he/she would be called Wahabi/Salafi.

 

[insideitall]

yes, the news people like to tell us that most muslims are good people, law abiding citizens of their respective countries that abhor the violence used by these extremist terrorists promoting jihad, and that therefore because most people don’t agree, the minority number of terrorists clearly are the ones in error. and it’s not only the news people, it’s muslim advocacy groups and university professors, too.

here’s a quote from “the truth about muhammad,” by robert spencer.

“of course, even if the jihadists are right about muhammad that does not mean that all or even most muslims will not be law-abiding and opposed to terrorism. in islam, as in every religious tradition, there is a spectrum of belief, knowledge, and fervor. once cannot be sure from anyone’s self-identification as a muslim how much he knows about the qur’an and the life of muhammad. this is true particularly because islam is an essentially arabic religion; muslims must learn the daily prayers and the qur’an in arabic, which is the language of allah. to pray to him in another tongue is unacceptable. since most muslims today are not native arab speakers, and the qur’an is in difficult, classical, seventh-century arabic (and most english translations are in equally difficult ersatz king james bible-like language), many muslims, even those who are quite serious about their faith, have only a dim awareness of what those texts actually say.”

I think this is similar to what you would find from surveying a large group of catholics about their beliefs. most would consider themselves to be catholic yet at the same time would assert that the doctrines they didn’t agree with were a result of the church being too conservative and not a result of their lack of knowledge or sin in refusing to accept the teaching. but there comes a point where the amount and or content of what is disagreed with actually no longer makes that person catholic, or at least makes them an ignorant and ill-catechized catholic, despite the fact they associate themselves with the organized religion. so, just because someone says they’re a member of a religion doesn’t mean they follow or are even aware of what the teachings are.

 

[KathleenGee]

I hear that in some places Muslims are OK with someone converting to another religion.

However, it did happen here on the East Coast of a Muslim converting to Christianity but murdered doing so.

Where they enforce Sharia, there are those who will execute Muslims wanting to leave for another…

So what countries or regions would execute a Muslim for converting to Christianity?

BTW,Sam, how are you doing?..

 

[elwill]

I’m confused. Why are Muslims that are called “Extremists”, called so, when they are doing the will of their founder, Mohammed and following the teachings of his Koran … of which he, himself lived by?

because most muslims in the fact believe that terrorists doing against the will of their founder and against the teaching of quran

I realize that many Muslims called “Moderates”, are good people, but they are the one’s that do not seem to truly follow the will of founder.

it depends on what do you think the teaching of islam is , not what really is the teaching of islam is

Is the media trying to be politically correct, when in fact they are being inaccurate and misleading.

offcourse

 

[elwill]

Yes, I’ve seen those quotes. There are many, and they are frightening. Look how Europe and other parts of the world are changing. If I’m not mistaken, they are growing faster than any other faith and imposing their will, and way of life, by violence & intimidation.

I believe this will be the greatest threat and challenge of this new century.

i can understand how they then trying to imposing thier will , it’s by democracy (or the will of majority ) , not by violence

how they impose thier will by violence in Europe ?

 

[elwill]

It’s only growing due to birth rate…!! Once a muslim that’s it… you can check in - but you can’t check out…!!!

Leaving the faith of islam is under the penalty of death - apostates are to be given a chance to return to islam or be killed.

They do not have free will to leave the faith…

although you are right that muslims are growing due to birth rate , but islam either is the most of relegions which have converts to it either

 

[elwill]

I live in Abu Dhabi and I am surrounded by Muslims. I can only share my experience. As a people they are kind, full of charity toward others, and have only rarely asked about my religion. Never once has anyone asked me to read a Qur’an and I have never felt pressured to do anything “with” Islam. St Joseph’s is the local Catholic Church; St Andrews is the Anglican congregation. I also think there are other churches locally.

I have talked about terrorism and Bin Laden with local Muslims. They have all stated that their/his actions have nothing to do with Islam.

For me, I have come to love the people here. Their call to prayer also helps me to keep God more prevalent in my daily life. I have not asked local Muslims about the quotes in the Qur’an you are talking about, but many of them have said that we all worship the same God and that we are brothers and sisters. These that have said this to me I felt were quite sincere.

the muslims you met actually represents the majority ,

 

[Dave_B]

Well, many people in the West are completely unaware what the Quran actually teaches and think that its just like the Judaism or Christianity when nothing can be further from the truth

I think that Islam is similar to Judaism. Its doctrine is essentially Unitarian.

I have read the Quran and i can assure you that so called “extremists” are not extremists at all-they are just following the teaching of Quran that DO tell them to kill infidels and Jews, and anyone who leaves Islam.

There are passages in the old testament that speak of killing infidels and apostates also. Yet we ignore these teachings, dont we?

 

[Dave_B]

although you are right that muslims are growing due to birth rate , but islam either is the most of relegions which have converts to it either

I dont know of any converts to Islam where I live in the UK, yet we have a sizable muslim population and many muslim TV channels on satellite.

 

[Contarini]

I’m confused. Why are Muslims that are called “Extremists”, called so, when they are doing the will of their founder, Mohammed and following the teachings of his Koran … of which he, himself lived by?

I realize that many Muslims called “Moderates”, are good people, but they are the one’s that do not seem to truly follow the will of founder.

Is the media trying to be politically correct, when in fact they are being inaccurate and misleading.

Why are you so sure what Muhammad’s will and teachings were?

And why are you the infallible Pope of Islam? Why do you get to decide what “real” Islam is? Your question is a common one, but it makes no sense. Especially if you’re a Catholic it makes no sense.

Do you think that you’re a “bad Christian” if you don’t follow what some random non-Christian thinks the “real teaching” Of Jesus was? Of course you don’t. You don’t care–nor should you. Nor should Muslims care what you think about the “real teaching” of Muhammad. Nor should the rest of us frame our view of real, living Muslims based on your guess (because that’s all it is) about what the historical Muhammad thought.

Islam isn’t based on the “historical Muhammad,” any more than Christianity is based on the “historical Jesus.” By this I don’t mean that Muslims don’t care about what Muhammad really said and did (or that Christians don’t care about what Jesus really said and did), but that both religions rely on faith and tradition to get at the teachings and intentions of our respective founders.

It needs to be emphasized, though, that most non-Muslim scholars of Islam don’t share the view of Muhammad and of Islamic history promoted by anti-Muslim polemicists. Read John Esposito, or Marshall Hodgson, or F. E. Peters.

Edwin

 

[JeanMichel]

the muslims you met actually represents the majority ,

I would agree. Though I live in Abu Dhabi my job takes me to locations throughout the MENA region. I have visited Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, Iraq, and Bahrain. My relationships have been similar throughout the region. I know my experience conflicts with the statements of others, but it is impossible for me to say otherwise. I live in a country of peace and safety. I believe I live in the best place on earth for me at this time.

 

[elwill]

I would agree. Though I live in Abu Dhabi my job takes me to locations throughout the MENA region. I have visited Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, Iraq, and Bahrain. My relationships have been similar throughout the region. I know my experience conflicts with the statements of others, but it is impossible for me to say otherwise. I live in a country of peace and safety. I believe I live in the best place on earth for me at this time.

God bless you for your honest view , and for sharing your positive experience

 

[MontChevalier]

I think that Islam is similar to Judaism. Its doctrine is essentially Unitarian.

There are passages in the old testament that speak of killing infidels and apostates also. Yet we ignore these teachings, dont we?

Passages which refer to specific groups of people that no longer exist, and/or are abrogated in the New Testament. The Old Testament also includes laws of stoning others (i.e. Deuteronomy 17:15, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Deuteronomy 22:21, etc.), but you’ll find that these are abrogated by Jesus himself, right here in John 8:7.

Shouldn’t you be more worried about burning in hell because of how your King, Henry VIII, created his own church in England out of rebellion to the Papacy?

-MontChevalier