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dennisknapp
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Just wondering.
I live in the diocese of Milwaukee, where do you think it ranks?
Peace
I live in the diocese of Milwaukee, where do you think it ranks?
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netmilsmom
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Check out Cleveland, LA and Albany. Altoona PA was bad but I have heard they are improving. I have to say Detroit, but the TLM was recently allowed so kudos to the Cardinal.
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mosher
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Portland, Santa Fe, Gallup, San Antoinio, Las Cruses … actually I think it would be easier to say who is not liberal dioceses as there would be a smaller number cited.
As far as Milwaukee is concerned it all determines how far it has come since the retirement of Bishop Weakland. However, while he was the Bishop I would have placed it in the extremely liberal category.
As far as Milwaukee is concerned it all determines how far it has come since the retirement of Bishop Weakland. However, while he was the Bishop I would have placed it in the extremely liberal category.
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Deacon_Ed
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Liberal is in the mind of the beholder.
Deacon Ed
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space_ghost
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Deacon Ed:
…agreed:thumbsup:
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YinYangMom
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Deacon Ed:
Well then, which diocese allow their parishes to teach outside the magisterium?
- Uses “she” to refer to God
- Allows several people to come to the altar to join in the consecration
- Teaches that abortion, birth control, euthanasia, ESCR, and cloning are not ‘always’ to be avoided
- Allow openly active gay couples to hold ministry positions in the church
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bengeorge
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Deacon Ed:
Liberal is perhaps a bad word, as is conservative. We should use the terms orthodox and unorthodox.
I think that you can objectively say which dioceses are orthodox in their teachings and which are not.
Liberal is perhaps a bad word, as is conservative. We should use the terms orthodox and unorthodox.
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prodigal
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Phoenix is a very interesing diocese. Up until the recent arrival of Bishop Olmstead I would say we were among the more liberal. Our dear new Bishop is doing wonderful (and I’m sure very difficult) things here. Phoenix now is taking great strides toward becoming one of the more orthodox diocese.
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matt5
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netmil(name removed by moderator):
What makes Detroit a liberal diocese?
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YinYangMom
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When I read or hear ‘Orthodox’ I think of the Eastern Rite catholics though…obviously I’m confused…can you help clarify the distinction?
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buffalo
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orthodox - or·tho·dox
*]Adhering to the accepted or traditional and established faith, especially in religion.
*] Adhering to the Christian faith as expressed in the early Christian ecumenical creeds.
heterodox - het·er·o·dox
adj.
*]Not in agreement with accepted beliefs, especially in church doctrine or dogma.
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Deacon_Ed
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I have no problems with terms like “orthodox” and “heterodox.” However, I wonder who is qualified to make such determinations. Who among us knows the full gamut of what is orthodox? Is someone here qualified to say “that falls within the broad panoply of acceptable Catholic praxis or teaching” or to say that something is heterodox? This is not a rhetorical question. I do not judge the Church, even in her local incarnation as a Diocese. I guess there are others here who know the faith much better than I and who are fully qualified to make these distinctions.
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YinYangMom
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So we have Eastern orthodox and Western orthodox?
The Eastern being the Eastern Rite Catholics who do not recognize the Roman Pope, but are still completely ‘Catholic’ - legit sacraments,etc.
and the Western being the Roman Rite Catholics?
But under both branches (W & E) there can be orthodox Catholics and heterodox Catholics.
Am I understanding that correctly???
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buffalo
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Almost! The Eastern Rites are in Communion with the Pope as are the Latin (Roman) rite.
(capital O) is generally used to distinguish those of the Greek Rite who are not in communion with theOrthodox Church Holy See.
However, there can be orthodox as well as heterodox.
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YinYangMom
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Deacon Ed:
I think, for the question in this thread, we’re looking at the obvious indicators within a diocese. If at mass God is referred to as “She” or consistently “God” (obvious avoidance of the masculine term), or allows openly sexually active homosexuals to be Eucharistic Ministers there’s probably a rather high likelihood that the other teachings of the diocese/parish do not fall in line with Rome. We wouldn’t have to examine the ‘complete’ diocesan teachings when some of the very basics are obviously not heterodox.
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YinYangMom
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Oi vey! :whacky:
So all this discussion about mending the rift - reuniting The Church - is more about getting the Greeks to come home? I was under the impression it was Russian and others.
But at least I see I was justified in my original confusion over the term “Orthodox”…I only knew that the ‘other’ people were the Orthodox.
So where can I go online to see the Catholic Family Tree, per se??? Any link suggestions?
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Deacon_Ed
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But would that not reflect more on the parish than the Diocese? I’m not sure about where you live, but out here in California many of our diocese are larger than some states! The local bishop can’t always get around to each parish. Complaints are not always processed in a timely fashion and, frankly, the bishop may not see them all anyway.
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Deacon_Ed
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Dear Mom:Oi vey! :whacky:
So all this discussion about mending the rift - reuniting The Church - is more about getting the Greeks to come home? I was under the impression it was Russian and others.
But at least I see I was justified in my original confusion over the term “Orthodox”…I only knew that the ‘other’ people were the Orthodox.
So where can I go online to see the Catholic Family Tree, per se??? Any link suggestions?
The term “orthodox” (Greek for “right glory”) refers to teachings that are correct. When used with a capital “O” it refers to the Eastern Orthodox Church.
And, no, this discussion does not refer to any reunion of East and West but of people deciding if a given Diocese is “orthodox” meaning that the diocese teaches what the Church teaches.
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buffalo
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Ahhh! Glad you asked. I have a chart, but I can’t find it right now.Oi vey! :whacky:
So all this discussion about mending the rift - reuniting The Church - is more about getting the Greeks to come home? I was under the impression it was Russian and others.
But at least I see I was justified in my original confusion over the term “Orthodox”…I only knew that the ‘other’ people were the Orthodox.
So where can I go online to see the Catholic Family Tree, per se??? Any link suggestions?
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Larry_B
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I agree you can have parishes out of step with Rome and it may not be the fault of the diocese. Eventually, parishes who are out of step with proper liturgical norms should be reported to the bishop if the pastor of the particular parish has done nothing to stop the abuse. Some abuses are flat out obvious as stated clearly above.
It may take some time to properly evaluate dioceses that have had a liberal past to them . It looks like Phoenix is in recovery and I applaud bishops who are not afraid to speak up for Holy Mother Church.
By the way the closest parish to my family uses the word “God” during the Mass in place of Father except during the Our Father. There was a small group meeting on the altar during the Eucharistic prayer with hand holding followed by a hugfest that lasted at least 30 seconds before I had to take my children out. It was still going on when we left. This is not our regular parish as we found a jewel about 45 minutes away. and this was a morning weekday Mass. And yes, I did send an email to the pastor and I have not received a response. I may go to a morning Mass without my children to see if this happens again and if so I will send him a second letter with a copy to the bishop.
The diocesan paper says alot about the spiritual health of the diocese as well do the number of vocations coming from the diocese. The diocesan paper in my diocese is a disgrace.
Larry (Dallas, TX)
It may take some time to properly evaluate dioceses that have had a liberal past to them . It looks like Phoenix is in recovery and I applaud bishops who are not afraid to speak up for Holy Mother Church.
By the way the closest parish to my family uses the word “God” during the Mass in place of Father except during the Our Father. There was a small group meeting on the altar during the Eucharistic prayer with hand holding followed by a hugfest that lasted at least 30 seconds before I had to take my children out. It was still going on when we left. This is not our regular parish as we found a jewel about 45 minutes away. and this was a morning weekday Mass. And yes, I did send an email to the pastor and I have not received a response. I may go to a morning Mass without my children to see if this happens again and if so I will send him a second letter with a copy to the bishop.
The diocesan paper says alot about the spiritual health of the diocese as well do the number of vocations coming from the diocese. The diocesan paper in my diocese is a disgrace.
Larry (Dallas, TX)
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