The original referred to is Paul’s original proclamation of the gospel. This would have been confirmed by God with " signs and wonders following". Or as Jude says “the faith that was once delivered unto the saints”.
Agreed
Good that we are on the same page here.2 questions:
I feel that I should clarify this question a bit more.
Right guys, you don’t need to say any more. Everyone already knows where you want to go with this. You want to claim that only your church has the authority to tell me what God means. Why? Because this church must hold the scriptures captive so it can contort the meaning of everything to point to its own sacraments and rituals so that a man can receive virtually nothing from God withouzt having to get it from their church ,their way. Grace is held captive in Rome. The priesthood itself is held captive. Even the Holy Spirit is held captive. Only a privileged few can hear him . Yea I get it.
Or… I could just be interested in your answer. You claim to know the true gospel. I am a seeker of truth. How was the gospel, you claim to be true, handed on, orally & written, without corruption for 2000 years? Which person(s) did God designate & guide to preserve His gospel, as you know it, thru the millennia?
Yes. This represents my view, too.
If you truly believe that the Catholic Church claims to hold the scriptures captive so it can contort the meaning of everything to point to its own sacraments and rituals… so that a man can receive virtually nothing from God without having to get it from their church, their way i.e. grace is held captive in Rome - then you clearly have never read the Catechism of the Catholic Church i.e. you are totally oblivious, just as I was as a former Protestant. You have been asked a fair question and refuse to reply with an alternative, in terms of an answer. Please provide an alternative in terms of God preserving truth for all people, in every generation, until the end of time (John 14:16).I don’t think you do, because you have been SERIOUSLY misinformed about Catholicism.
So to infants such does not belong the Kingdom of Heaven perhaps? Was Jesus not correct?
Could you first answer these questions posed to you earlier:
What illogical nonsense. You claim that Rome holds the Scriptures captive. Yet, since I assume you have a copy of the Scriptures, Rome doesn’t hold them captive. In point of fact, since the Scriptures were preserved solely by the Western and Eastern Churches (which were not evangelical Protestant churches), the only reason you have them is because they were “held captive.” This doesn’t exactly fit with the narrative you’re trying to put forward here.
I don’t think you do, because you have been SERIOUSLY misinformed about Catholicism.
Why not choose one topic - the one that you think is the best example of how Catholicism is completely wrong - and start a thread. We’ll be happy to discuss anything you like.
Remember only one topic per thread. See ya there!
Oh no, I never claimed the Church flip-flopped; I’m saying they’re being lukewarm about the whole thing.
You’re saying that the angels who threw in their lot with the devil did not sin when they did so?
I agree; they too (eternal beings) must have fallen away from grace if they no longer enjoy God’s presnence. Before the Angelic Battle in Heaven, Were All the Angels Admitted to the Full Vision of God?
Lukewarm?
Oh, yes, sir, you most certainly did. You claimed that the Church is “inconsistent”. And that means she “flip-flopped”.
Do you wish now to retract the above?
This is a nonsequitur.
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Just as circular as saying the apostles were all Catholic. As posted somewhere, any justification of “my” church or yours can be said by others to put the cart before the horse.