Which Churches Are Apostolic?

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“If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4, 251 AD)

Cyprian
Interesting, because at times St. Cyprian outright contested the judgment of the pope, especially in the case of people baptised by gnostics would need to be baptised by the Church. In any case, this doesn’t prove adherence to papal infallibilty in the early church. Was there anyone back then who said “If the Pope, on his own without a council, speaks ex cathedra , he cannot err”?
 
“If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4, 251 AD)

Cyprian
Two comments.

First of all this quote does not address the notion of personal infallibility of anyone, it is actually a reference to jurisdiction.

Secondly, that statement is taken out of context and the way you use it appears to assume that his notion of the ‘unity of Peter’ means the bishop of Rome. Yet that is not what he says here and Cyprian’s actual actions as bishop of Carthage demonstrate a concept quite different.

“Cyprian’s view of Peter’s ‘chair’ (cathedri Petri) was that it belonged not only to the bishop of Rome but to every bishop within each community. Thus Cyprian used not the argument of Roman primacy but that of his own authority as ‘successor of Peter’ in Carthage…For Cyprian, the ‘chair of Peter’, was a sacramental concept, necessarily present in each local church: Peter was the example and model of each local bishop, who, within his community, presides over the Eucharist and possesses ‘the power of the keys’ to remit sins. And since the model is unique, unique also is the episcopate (episcopatus unus est) shared, in equal fullness (in solidum) by all bishops”
John Meyendorff, Imperial Unity and Christian Divisions (Crestwood: St. Vladimir’s, 1989), pp. 61, 152).
 
Interesting, because at times St. Cyprian outright contested the judgment of the pope, especially in the case of people baptised by gnostics would need to be baptised by the Church. In any case, this doesn’t prove adherence to papal infallibilty in the early church. Was there anyone back then who said “If the Pope, on his own without a council, speaks ex cathedra , he cannot err”?
“Would heretics dare to come to the very seat of Peter whence apostolic faith is derived and whither no errors can come” (Epistulae 59 (55), 14, [256 A.D.]

Also Cyprian
emphasis mine
 
“Would heretics dare to come to the very seat of Peter whence apostolic faith is derived and whither no errors can come” (Epistulae 59 (55), 14, [256 A.D.]

Also Cyprian
emphasis mine
Just because I haven’t read to much of Cyprian, and also I know it helps us to understand the context, can you link to the Epistle please?
 
“See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”* Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110). *

I just wanted to point something out. From the above, one can determine that although the Eastern Orthodox don’t have full communion with the Bishop of Rome, they are still within the Catholic Church because they have valid bishops.
Okay…and now in the above from St Ignatios, the word Bishop is to be understood as the Pope of Rome??? if it is so then, and again, how come he never mentioned the Pope of Rome anywhere in his Epistles not even just the word “Pope” the Bishop of Rome???if it is the Bishop of Rome (let alone the Pope of Rome) or any one Bishop to this matter,then it would make sense for St Ignatios to point out who is this Bishop he is talking about, but he doesn’t, never mind him mentioning the Pope of Rome.
They just don’t have the fullness of the Faith since the only thing that they lack is communion with the Successor of St. Peter.
we don’t lack anything, it is only the insistence on distorting the history in a way that would make it comply with their mind what they wish the Pope to be:

“In speaking of Peter, the recollection of another Peter has come to me [St. Flavian of Antioch] our common father and teacher, who has succeeded to the virtue of Peter, and also to his chair. For this is the one great prerogative of our city, that it received the coryphaeus of the apostles as its teacher in the beginning. For it was right that she who first was adorned with the name of Christians [cf. Acts 11:26] before the whole world, should receive the first of the apostles as her pastor. But though we received him as teacher, we did not retain him to the end, but gave him up to Royal Rome. Nay, but we did retain him till the end; for we do not retain the body of Peter but we retain the faith of Peter as though it were Peter himself; and while we retain the faith of Peter, we have Peter himself.” (Hom in inscr Act II, 6, vol III, 86[70])
 
“If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4, 251 AD)

Cyprian
“Would heretics dare to come to the very seat of Peter whence apostolic faith is derived and whither no errors can come” (Epistulae 59 (55), 14, [256 A.D.]

Also Cyprian
emphasis mine
…And if you try to reconcile your above quotes to this one you will have a conflict it doesn’t work, the only correct way to interpret St Cyprian’s quotes would be the way Hesychios explained it to you above, here is what we are talking about:

“But that they who are at Rome do not observe those things in all cases which are handed down from the beginning, and vainly pretend the authority of the apostles…”
-Cyprian, The Epistles of Cyprian, Letter LXXIV.6
 
“Rock is the unity of faith, not the person of Peter.”
St Cyprian: De Catholicae Ecclesiae Unitate, cap. 4-5

Let’s keep in mind that Saint Cyprian was identifying himself as well as all bishops with Saint Peter when he wrote this. The point is clear, it is in the unity of Faith that we are one, not necessarily the connection with or obedience to one or another bishop wherever he sits or whatever he teaches. He must hold the faith of Peter.

It is not that the faith is considered authoritative due to the person who holds it, it is the bishop is considered authoritative by the true faith he holds.

This is in keeping with the “Cyprianic view” on Apostolic succession BTW.

More about Saint Cyprian of Carthage:
“If he refuses to the bishop of Rome any higher power to maintain by legislation the solidarity of which he is the centre, it must be because he regards the primacy as one of honor and the bishop of Rome as primus inter pares”
Quasten, J n.d., Patrology: Vol.2, Christian Classics, Allen, pp. 375-378
Another north African Patristic witness:
“Christ said to Peter… I will build thee upon Myself, I will not be built upon thee. Those who wished to be built among men said, ‘I am of Paul, I am of Apollos, I am of Cephas’ - however, those who did not wish to be built upon Peter but upon the Rock say, I am of Jesus Christ.”
St Augustine of Hippo: Retractions, 13th Sermon
 
Interesting statement. The early Church and Fathers held to the dogma of papal infallibality?
Well it was not dogmatically defined back then, but as you know; dogmas are not created by the Popes, they are defined. Papal primacy and infallibility is part of the deposit of faith, and yes the early Church believed this, although since it was not yet defined some understood it and explained it better than others. Once a dogma is defined, it cannot be rejected. So, if I was to say our Lady was not assumed before the definition in 1950, I would simply be in error. To assert such after the definition (knowing there was a definition) would make me a heretic on this doctrine.
 
Well it was not dogmatically defined back then, but as you know; dogmas are not created by the Popes, they are defined. Papal primacy and infallibility is part of the deposit of faith, and yes the early Church believed this, although since it was not yet defined some understood it and explained it better than others. Once a dogma is defined, it cannot be rejected. So, if I was to say our Lady was not assumed before the definition in 1950, I would simply be in error. To assert such after the definition (knowing there was a definition) would make me a heretic on this doctrine.
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“Rock is the unity of faith, not the person of Peter.”
St Cyprian: De Catholicae Ecclesiae Unitate, cap. 4-5

Let’s keep in mind that Saint Cyprian was identifying himself as well as all bishops with Saint Peter when he wrote this. The point is clear, it is in the unity of Faith that we are one, not necessarily the connection with or obedience to one or another bishop wherever he sits or whatever he teaches. He must hold the faith of Peter.
Cyprian was diverse at times in his Petrine views. Remember, there were also times when he sparred with Pope Stephen over heretical baptism yet conceded to Stephen before he died. There are also quotes from him you can find associating Peter the person with that very foundational Rock.

If any one consider and examine these things, there is no need for lengthened discussion and arguments. There is easy proof for faith in a short summary of the truth. The Lord speaks to Peter, saying, I say unto you, that you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matt. 16:18) And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. And again to the same He says, after His resurrection, Feed my sheep. And although to all the apostles, after His resurrection, He gives an equal power, and says, As the Father has sent me, even so send I you: Receive the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins you remit, they shall be remitted unto him; and whose soever sins you retain, they shall be retained; John 20:21 yet, that He might set forth unity, He arranged by His authority the origin of that unity, as beginning from one. Assuredly the rest of the apostles were also the same as was Peter, endowed with a like partnership both of honour and power; but the beginning proceeds from unity. Which one Church, also, the Holy Spirit in the Song of Songs designated in the person of our Lord, and says, My dove, my spotless one, is but one. She is the only one of her mother, elect of her that bare her. Song of Songs 6:9 Does he who does not hold this unity of the Church think that he holds the faith? (Cyprian, Treatise 1.4, On the Unity of the Church)The second sentence I bolded is to show that although all Apostles were endowed with like power, Peter’s is unique, a point of unity.

Cyprian repeats this teaching in an Epistle:
For first of all the Lord gave that power to Peter, upon whom He built the Church, and whence He appointed and showed the source of unity— the power, namely, that whatsoever he loosed on earth should be loosed in heaven. (Cyprian, Epistle 72.7, ca 250 A.D.)I’m curious do you have a link to the the whole text you quoted above? I am unfamiliar with that citation.
 
Cyprian was diverse at times in his Petrine views. Remember, there were also times when he sparred with Pope Stephen over heretical baptism yet conceded to Stephen before he died. There are also quotes from him you can find associating Peter the person with that very foundational Rock.

If any one consider and examine these things, there is no need for lengthened discussion and arguments. There is easy proof for faith in a short summary of the truth. The Lord speaks to Peter, saying, I say unto you, that you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matt. 16:18) And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. And again to the same He says, after His resurrection, Feed my sheep. And although to all the apostles, after His resurrection, He gives an equal power, and says, As the Father has sent me, even so send I you: Receive the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins you remit, they shall be remitted unto him; and whose soever sins you retain, they shall be retained; John 20:21 yet, that He might set forth unity, He arranged by His authority the origin of that unity, as beginning from one. Assuredly the rest of the apostles were also the same as was Peter, endowed with a like partnership both of honour and power; but the beginning proceeds from unity. Which one Church, also, the Holy Spirit in the Song of Songs designated in the person of our Lord, and says, My dove, my spotless one, is but one. She is the only one of her mother, elect of her that bare her. Song of Songs 6:9 Does he who does not hold this unity of the Church think that he holds the faith? (Cyprian, Treatise 1.4, On the Unity of the Church)The second sentence I bolded is to show that although all Apostles were endowed with like power, Peter’s is unique, a point of unity.

Cyprian repeats this teaching in an Epistle:
For first of all the Lord gave that power to Peter, upon whom He built the Church, and whence He appointed and showed the source of unity— the power, namely, that whatsoever he loosed on earth should be loosed in heaven. (Cyprian, Epistle 72.7, ca 250 A.D.)I’m curious do you have a link to the the whole text you quoted above? I am unfamiliar with that citation.
 
Cyprian was diverse at times in his Petrine views. Remember, there were also times when he sparred with Pope Stephen over heretical baptism yet conceded to Stephen before he died. There are also quotes from him you can find associating Peter the person with that very foundational Rock.

If any one consider and examine these things, there is no need for lengthened discussion and arguments. There is easy proof for faith in a short summary of the truth. The Lord speaks to Peter, saying, I say unto you, that you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matt. 16:18) And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. And again to the same He says, after His resurrection, Feed my sheep. And although to all the apostles, after His resurrection, He gives an equal power, and says, As the Father has sent me, even so send I you: Receive the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins you remit, they shall be remitted unto him; and whose soever sins you retain, they shall be retained; John 20:21 yet, that He might set forth unity, He arranged by His authority the origin of that unity, as beginning from one. Assuredly the rest of the apostles were also the same as was Peter, endowed with a like partnership both of honour and power; but the beginning proceeds from unity. Which one Church, also, the Holy Spirit in the Song of Songs designated in the person of our Lord, and says, My dove, my spotless one, is but one. She is the only one of her mother, elect of her that bare her. Song of Songs 6:9 Does he who does not hold this unity of the Church think that he holds the faith? (Cyprian, Treatise 1.4, On the Unity of the Church)The second sentence I bolded is to show that although all Apostles were endowed with like power, Peter’s is unique, a point of unity.

Cyprian repeats this teaching in an Epistle:
For first of all the Lord gave that power to Peter, upon whom He built the Church, and whence He appointed and showed the source of unity— the power, namely, that whatsoever he loosed on earth should be loosed in heaven. (Cyprian, Epistle 72.7, ca 250 A.D.)I’m curious do you have a link to the the whole text you quoted above? I am unfamiliar with that citation.
Nobody is disputing St. Cyprian’s views on Peter. The question is whether he equated that authority of Peter with all bishops or with the pope alone. His defiance in the face of pope Stephen seems to indicate the former, especially in light of the quotations provided by Hesychios.
 
Okay…and now in the above from St Ignatios, the word Bishop is to be understood as the Pope of Rome??? if it is so then, and again, how come he never mentioned the Pope of Rome anywhere in his Epistles not even just the word “Pope” the Bishop of Rome???if it is the Bishop of Rome (let alone the Pope of Rome) or any one Bishop to this matter,then it would make sense for St Ignatios to point out who is this Bishop he is talking about, but he doesn’t, never mind him mentioning the Pope of Rome.

we don’t lack anything, it is only the insistence on distorting the history in a way that would make it comply with their mind what they wish the Pope to be:“In speaking of Peter, the recollection of another Peter has come to me [St. Flavian of Antioch] our common father and teacher, who has succeeded to the virtue of Peter, and also to his chair. For this is the one great prerogative of our city, that it received the coryphaeus of the apostles as its teacher in the beginning. For it was right that she who first was adorned with the name of Christians [cf. Acts 11:26] before the whole world, should receive the first of the apostles as her pastor. But though we received him as teacher, we did not retain him to the end, but gave him up to Royal Rome. Nay, but we did retain him till the end; for we do not retain the body of Peter but we retain the faith of Peter as though it were Peter himself; and while we retain the faith of Peter, we have Peter himself.” (Hom in inscr Act II, 6, vol III, 86[70])
Yeah, someone already corrected me about that quote. It was referring to the office of the Bishop. I suppose it wasn’t the best one to use so that is my bad.

Of course from the Orthodox point of view you don’t lack anything whatsoever. I was expressing the Catholic point of view on the matter. From the Catholic perspective, the Eastern Churchs such as the Church of Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, the Russian Orthodox Church, etc are regarded as Sister Churchs and I see them as such as well. We believe you have the true faith handed down from the Apostles, and so on. But we believe that because these holy churchs are not in full communion with the See of Rome, these churchs do not share in the fullness of the Faith so to speak. You have most of it but something fundemental is definitely missing.

And so I have come to understand that these churchs are not completely within the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church otherwise known as the Catholic Church. But nevertheless these churchs are in someway linked to the Catholic Church because they are true in the sense of having valid sacraments, bishops, etc. My apologizes for not clearing this out in my earlier posts but I seem to have corrected myself.

Of course, you and all Orthodox don’t agree with the above since you believe Rome itself separated itself from Orthodoxy. And as such, you also believe we don’t have valid sacraments, bishops, etc. I know your position pretty well from reading around here.

In the end, I was talking from the Catholic perspective. If I was somehow rude, I apologize.
 
Nobody is disputing St. Cyprian’s views on Peter. The question is whether he equated that authority of Peter with all bishops or with the pope alone. His defiance in the face of pope Stephen seems to indicate the former, especially in light of the quotations provided by Hesychios.
It depends on how you look at it. Sparring with the Pope over an unsettled doctrinal matter is not conclusive against the idea of a Papacy. As well, Cyprian clearly placed a higher view on the Petrine See as evidence in my citations above.

In the incident with Pope Stephen, Cyprian’s close ally on the matter was Firmillian. Cyprian and Firmillian did not accept (at the time) the validity of so-called “heretical baptism” and argued that those baptized in such circumstances would have to be baptized again. Stephen believed otherwise, that a baptism did not depend on the doctrinal prowess of the minister, but on the Spirit acting on the intent of the sacrament.

Firmillian wrote a letter to Cyprian. In that letter, is the following:But what is the greatness of his error, and what the depth of his blindness, who says that remission of sins can be granted in the synagogues of heretics, and does not abide on the foundation of the one Church which was once based by Christ upon the rock, may be perceived from this, that Christ said to Peter alone, Whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven…the power of remitting sins was given to the apostles, and to the churches which they, sent by Christ, established, and to the bishops who succeeded to them by vicarious ordination…I am justly indignant at this so open and manifest folly of Stephen, that he who so boasts of the place of his episcopate, and contends that he holds the succession from Peter*, on whom the foundations of the Church were laid**, should introduce many other rocks and establish new buildings of many churches; maintaining that there is baptism in them by his authority…Stephen, who announces that he holds by succession the throne of Peter, is stirred with no zeal against heretics…*There is no dispute from Firmilian that Stephen holds the place of Peter. Firmillian’s point is that Stephen is essentially disgracing the place of Peter by what he considers a departure from Peter “on whom the foundations of the Church were laid.”

When relating the decision of a local council, Cyprian sent a letter to Stephen that read in part:*But the subject in regard to which we had chiefly to write to you, and to confer with your gravity and wisdom, is one that more especially pertains both to the priestly authority and to the unity, as well as the dignity, of the Catholic Church, arising as these do from the ordination of the divine appointment; to wit, that those who have been dipped abroad outside the Church, and have been stained among heretics and schismatics with the taint of profane water, when they come to us and to the Church which is one, ought to be baptized … We have brought these things, dearest brother, to your knowledge, for the sake of our mutual honour and sincere affection; believing that, according to the truth of your religion and faith, those things which are no less religious than true will be approved by you.*Cyprian is asking Stephen to approve their decision, a council’s decision.

According to Augustine’s historical account of the incident, Cyprian eventually conceded to Stephen’s view:*Seek counsel from the blessed Cyprian himself. See how much he considered to depend upon the blessing of unity, from which he did not sever himself to avoid the communion of those who disagreed with him; how, though he considered that those who were baptized outside the communion of the Church had no true baptism, he was yet willing to believe that, by simple admission into the Church, they might, merely in virtue of the bond of unity, be admitted to a share in pardon. For thus he solved the question which he proposed to himself in writing as follows to Jubaianus: “But some will say, ‘What then will become of those who, in times past, coming to the Church from heresy, were admitted without baptism?’ The Lord is able of His mercy to grant pardon, and not to sever from the gifts of His Church those who, being out of simplicity admitted to the Church, have in the Church fallen asleep.” (Augustine, On Baptism, II.18)*So according to the historical record, Cyprian submitted to Stephen’s view even though his position was otherwise. This, coupled with his letter regarding the council, seems to indicate that the Pope’s blessing was sought in order to certify the doctrine.
 
Well, the bishops of Africa where under the jurisdiction of the Pope of Rome so they had to ask for his confirmation. Eastern bishops didn’t think of themselves as being under Rome’s jurisdiction.
 
It depends on how you look at it. Sparring with the Pope over an unsettled doctrinal matter is not conclusive against the idea of a Papacy. As well, Cyprian clearly placed a higher view on the Petrine See as evidence in my citations above.

In the incident with Pope Stephen, Cyprian’s close ally on the matter was Firmillian. Cyprian and Firmillian did not accept (at the time) the validity of so-called “heretical baptism” and argued that those baptized in such circumstances would have to be baptized again. Stephen believed otherwise, that a baptism did not depend on the doctrinal prowess of the minister, but on the Spirit acting on the intent of the sacrament.

Firmillian wrote a letter to Cyprian. In that letter, is the following:But what is the greatness of his error, and what the depth of his blindness, who says that remission of sins can be granted in the synagogues of heretics, and does not abide on the foundation of the one Church which was once based by Christ upon the rock, may be perceived from this, that Christ said to Peter alone, Whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven…the power of remitting sins was given to the apostles, and to the churches which they, sent by Christ, established, and to the bishops who succeeded to them by vicarious ordination…I am justly indignant at this so open and manifest folly of Stephen, that he who so boasts of the place of his episcopate, and contends that he holds the succession from Peter**, on whom the foundations of the Church were laid**, should introduce many other rocks and establish new buildings of many churches; maintaining that there is baptism in them by his authority…Stephen, who announces that he holds by succession the throne of Peter, is stirred with no zeal against heretics…There is no dispute from Firmilian that Stephen holds the place of Peter. Firmillian’s point is that Stephen is essentially disgracing the place of Peter by what he considers a departure from Peter “on whom the foundations of the Church were laid.”
Notice that Firmillian never says that Stephen has the authority of Peter, but only that Stephen claims to hold the authority of Peter, a claim which he rejects in the very same letter:But that they who are at Rome do not observe those things in all cases which are handed down from the beginning, and vainly pretend the authority of the apostles; any one may know also from the fact, that concerning the celebration of Easter, and concerning many other sacraments of divine matters, he may see that there are some diversities among them, and that all things are not observed among them alike, which are observed at Jerusalem, just as in very many other provinces also many things are varied because of the difference of the places and names. And yet on this account there is no departure at all from the peace and unity of the Catholic Church, such as Stephen has now dared to make; breaking the peace against you, which his predecessors have always kept with you in mutual love and honour, even herein defaming Peter and Paul the blessed apostles, as if the very men delivered this who in their epistles execrated heretics, and warned us to avoid them. Whence it appears that this tradition is of men which maintains heretics, and asserts that they have baptism, which belongs to the Church alone.It should be clear that Fermillian finds the claim by the Romans that they hold the authority of the apostles merely to be pretense, not reality.
 
When relating the decision of a local council, Cyprian sent a letter to Stephen that read in part:But the subject in regard to which we had chiefly to write to you, and to confer with your gravity and wisdom, is one that more especially pertains both to the priestly authority and to the unity, as well as the dignity, of the Catholic Church, arising as these do from the ordination of the divine appointment; to wit, that those who have been dipped abroad outside the Church, and have been stained among heretics and schismatics with the taint of profane water, when they come to us and to the Church which is one, ought to be baptized … We have brought these things, dearest brother, to your knowledge, for the sake of our mutual honour and sincere affection; believing that, according to the truth of your religion and faith, those things which are no less religious than true will be approved by you.Cyprian is asking Stephen to approve their decision, a council’s decision.
Approve, but not in the way you interpret it. It is clear from the letter that Cyprian already believed that his council held authority:We add, however, and connect with what we have said, dearest brother, with common consent and authority, that if, again, any presbyters or deacons, who either have been before ordained in the Catholic Church, and have subsequently stood forth as traitors and rebels against the Church, or who have been promoted among the heretics by a profane ordination by the hands of false bishops and antichrists contrary to the appointment of Christ, and have attempted to offer; in opposition to the one and divine altar, false and sacrilegious sacrifices without, that these also be received when they return, on this condition, that they communicate as laymen, and hold it to be enough that they should be received to peace, after having stood forth as enemies of peace; and that they ought not, on returning, to retain those arms of ordination and honour with which they rebelled against us.The approval Cyprian was seeking wasn’t an approval as in seeking permission from a superior, rather, he was asking for Pope Stephen’s concurrence of mind as a colleague, that they might preserve the unity of the Church of God. From the same letter:We have brought these things, dearest brother, to your knowledge, for the sake of our mutual honour and sincere affection; believing that, according to the truth of your religion and faith, those things which are no less religious than true will be approved by you. But we know that some will not lay aside what they have once imbibed, and do not easily change their purpose; but, keeping fast the bond of peace and concord among their colleagues, retain certain things peculiar to themselves, which have once been adopted among them. In which behalf we neither do violence to, nor impose a law upon, any one, since each prelate has in the administration of the Church the exercise of his will free, as he shall give an account of his conduct to the Lord. We bid you, dearest brother, ever heartily farewell.In the passage above, Cyprian is basically saying to pope Stephen, “we hope that for the unity of the Church, you will approve of our method, even if you disagree with it, for all prelates shall render account to God for their manner of running the Church.” He was seeking “approval” in the sense that he wished for Pope Stephen to let local custom prevail, for the sake of the unity of the Church, instead of damaging the unity of the church by attempting to impose his Roman custom upon the Church (a request that Pope Stephen did not consider). In the end, Pope Stephen’s view only won out in the West. In the East, it never gained much acceptance, as we can see from St. Basil’s First Canonical Epistle, which basically repeats Cyprian’s view of baptism outside of the Church.
 
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