Which day is the Feast of Unleavened Bread?

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I am trying to establish which day the Feast of Unleavened Bread falls on. Is it:
  1. Nisan14 Exodus 12:18
  2. Nisan 15 Lev 23:6, day after Passover
And a related question as well Lev 23:5. Is Passover on the 15th or 14th? Some sources says 15th. jewfaq.org/holidaya.htm

Regardless of the answers above, how do I gel it with :

Matthew 26:17 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?”. How can the Feast of Unleavened Bread precede the Passover?

And Mark 14:1 It was now two days before the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to arrest him by stealth and kill him. How can the Passover be on the same day as the Feast of Unleavened Bread?

I thought it was a simple task just to lock up these dates but I ran out of answers and need the expertise of more knowledgeable ones.
 
I am trying to establish which day the Feast of Unleavened Bread falls on. Is it:
  1. Nisan14 Exodus 12:18
  2. Nisan 15 Lev 23:6, day after Passover
And a related question as well Lev 23:5. Is Passover on the 15th or 14th? Some sources says 15th. jewfaq.org/holidaya.htm

Regardless of the answers above, how do I gel it with :

Matthew 26:17 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?”. How can the Feast of Unleavened Bread precede the Passover?

And Mark 14:1 It was now two days before the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to arrest him by stealth and kill him. How can the Passover be on the same day as the Feast of Unleavened Bread?

I thought it was a simple task just to lock up these dates but I ran out of answers and need the expertise of more knowledgeable ones.
This should help. agapebiblestudy.com/documents/Was%20the%20Last%20Supper%20a%20Sacrificial%20Meal.htm
agapebiblestudy.com/documents/Crucifixion%20of%20Christ.htm
 
Some Jews used the solar calendar and some used the lunar calendar.

There was no universal agreement on when to celebrate certain feasts. For any given feast day, Jews could be celebrating it on two or more days depending on which sect of Judaism or the custom according to their geographic location.

IIRC there was an essay about this in the Ignatius Study Bible.

-Tim-
 
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ericc:
I am trying to establish which day the Feast of Unleavened Bread falls on. Is it:
  1. Nisan14 Exodus 12:18
  2. Nisan 15 Lev 23:6, day after Passover
The lamb was always killed in the late afternoon of the 14th. Then it had to be hung and bled; then it had to be roasted. By that time the day switched over to the 15th, because the Jewish day began about 6 PM. So, Jesus and his disciples ate the meal on the 15th.
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ericc:
And a related question as well Lev 23:5. Is Passover on the 15th or 14th? Some sources says 15th. jewfaq.org/holidaya.htm
Biblical references to the 14th refer to the overall Passover day, stretching from late afternoon of that day to (and including all of) the15th. Strictly speaking, Passover day is the 15th.
 
I am trying to establish which day the Feast of Unleavened Bread falls on.
The Passover is one evening. The Feast of Unleavened Bread, however, lasts seven days.
Matthew 26:17 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?”. How can the Feast of Unleavened Bread precede the Passover?
It doesn’t. Matthew omits the statement Mark makes – the ‘first day’ is when “they sacrificed the Passover lamb”. In other words, Matthew is counting the preparation for Passover in the ‘feast’. Therefore, since it’s the ‘Day of Preparation’, they want to know where Jesus wants to celebrate the Passover meal.
And Mark 14:1 It was now two days before the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to arrest him by stealth and kill him. How can the Passover be on the same day as the Feast of Unleavened Bread?
It’s not. It’s like asking “where are you gonna spend Thanksgiving and Black Friday?” They’re two distinct observances that follow one another, but are consecutive and are tied to one another, in a certain sense. So, it’s possible to lump them together, in a manner of speaking, when referencing them.
 
The lamb was always killed in the late afternoon of the 14th. Then it had to be hung and bled; then it had to be roasted. By that time the day switched over to the 15th, because the Jewish day began about 6 PM. So, Jesus and his disciples ate the meal on the 15th.
That would assume 15 Nisan to be from 6pm Thursday - 6pm Friday. Unfortunately John 19:14 says that day (Friday) was the day of preparation for the Passover which means you have Passover a day too early. Based upon John, Passover would be Sat and also a Sabbath day and which he correctly tagged it a High day.

If the Sabbath day is also the Passover, then Jesus couldn’t have eaten the Passover meal on Thursday night. The Passover meal would have to be Friday night.
Biblical references to the 14th refer to the overall Passover day, stretching from late afternoon of that day to (and including all of) the15th. Strictly speaking, Passover day is the 15th.
It is strange. All OT verses refer Passover on the 14th. The eating of the passover meal would be the 15th i.e. Friday night after sunset. The slaughter of the passover lambs on Nisan 14 on Friday afternoon would tie in with Christ death around 3pm.

The day after Passover would be the Feast of Unleavened Bread according to Lev 23:6 Which makes it puzzling because Mat 26:17 says “Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?”” To make it even more confusing, eating of unleavened bread starts on Nisan 14 itself Ex 12:18. Unless the first day of Unleavened Bread has nothing to do with the Feast of Unleavened Bread? From Thursday to Sunday(day after passover) are just too many days to account for.

I must be missing something.
 
That would assume 15 Nisan to be from 6pm Thursday - 6pm Friday. Unfortunately John 19:14 says that day (Friday) was the day of preparation for the Passover which means you have Passover a day too early. Based upon John, Passover would be Sat and also a Sabbath day and which he correctly tagged it a High day.
👍 That’s precisely the problem: the Synoptics seem to be saying one thing, while John seems to be saying another.

One solution that’s been proposed to resolve this seeming contradiction is the notion of the differences between lunar and solar calendars. Some scholars note that the Qumran community used a solar calendar, rather than the (normative) lunar calendar used by Jews to order their feasts. If John is reflecting Essene traditions, he might be describing things using a solar calendar. So, if this were true, then the discrepancy could be explained by appealing to the differences in calendars.
The day after Passover would be the Feast of Unleavened Bread according to Lev 23:6 Which makes it puzzling because Mat 26:17 says “Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?””
As I’ve already mentioned, the ‘first day’ would be the Day of Preparation – not the Passover itself. Is it technically part of the feast? No. But, it’s bound up in the feast (in much the same way that Christmas Eve is bound up in the celebration of Christmas day, even though they’re distinct days.)
To make it even more confusing, eating of unleavened bread starts on Nisan 14 itself Ex 12:18. Unless the first day of Unleavened Bread has nothing to do with the Feast of Unleavened Bread?
Yes. And no. 😉

First day: Day of Preparation.
Passover: unleavened bread is used (per Passover story).
Feast of Unleavened Bread: seven days… of unleavened bread.

Does that help?
 
That would assume 15 Nisan to be from 6pm Thursday - 6pm Friday. Unfortunately John 19:14 says that day (Friday) was the day of preparation for the Passover which means you have Passover a day too early. Based upon John, Passover would be Sat and also a Sabbath day and which he correctly tagged it a High day.

If the Sabbath day is also the Passover, then Jesus couldn’t have eaten the Passover meal on Thursday night. The Passover meal would have to be Friday night.
It is strange. All OT verses refer Passover on the 14th. The eating of the passover meal would be the 15th i.e. Friday night after sunset. The slaughter of the passover lambs on Nisan 14 on Friday afternoon would tie in with Christ death around 3pm.

The day after Passover would be the Feast of Unleavened Bread according to Lev 23:6 Which makes it puzzling because Mat 26:17 says “Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?”” To make it even more confusing, eating of unleavened bread starts on Nisan 14 itself Ex 12:18. Unless the first day of Unleavened Bread has nothing to do with the Feast of Unleavened Bread? From Thursday to Sunday(day after passover) are just too many days to account for.

I must be missing something.
This is a lot to digest, but just my :twocents:

The term “Sabbath” not only applies to Saturday, but to any Great Festival which required “resting”. Thus the “Sabbath” could be any day, Monday-Sunday if a Great Festival fell on that day. Take for example Leviticus 23:23-24 “The Lord said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of sabbath rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts. Do no regular work.” (the first day of the seventh month could have fallen on any day, but it was considered a Sabbath.) So in the Passover of Jesus’ day the term “Sabbath” could have been another day besides Friday night-Saturday.

Also, the Feast of Unleavened Bread in Jesus’ time was lumped together with the Passover and was considered to have lasted for 8 days.

(My information is from a very wonderful and extensive book called “The Temple - It’s Ministry and Services as they were at the times of Christ” by Alfred Edersheim. This book goes through all the Jewish holidays and sacrifices and is a never-ending source of very deep research, much from a Jewish perspective.)
 
Someone should Google Josephus, Antiquities, and unleavened bread and see what he reports. As I recall, first there was the Pascal feast, then the feast of the unleavened bread ran for five days.
 
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That would assume 15 Nisan to be from 6pm Thursday - 6pm Friday. Unfortunately John 19:14 says that day (Friday) was the day of preparation for the Passover which means you have Passover a day too early.
But John would have been referring to the overall Passover feasting week. It should not be conflated with the Paschal lamb.
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ericc:
It is strange. All OT verses refer Passover on the 14th …
Make that, ‘most OT verses’ - not ‘all.’

And, where biblical references speak of the 14th as ‘Passover’, it refers to how the Passover period started about 3 pm of the 14th, just a few hours earlier than the switch point to the 15th.
 
Some Jews use the solar calendar, some use the lunar calendar. Dates didn’t always line up.

There was not universal agreement. Not all groups agreed when the date of certain feasts fell.

This explains how complex it was…jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

-Tim-
 
Some Jews use the solar calendar, some use the lunar calendar. Dates didn’t always line up.

There was not universal agreement. Not all groups agreed when the date of certain feasts fell.

This explains how complex it was…jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

-Tim-
I was very tempted to forward that up as an explanation but there is no convincing reason that was what John used. No reason for John to use the Essene calendar at all. A few writers have attempted to explain the discrepancy on disagreements of Pharisees and Saduccees on dates to observe to the Essenes calendar and so on. But there is a difference between plausible vs evidence to suggest that was the case. The different timing between John and the others are quite satisfactory explained by Jewish vs Roman time.

It is this Passover date that is an itch that refuses to go away. It is just me. I don’ t like to leave open questions without a reasonable probable answer .🙂 John’s Gospel tries to plug in the gaps left out by the other 3 Gospels. But this one is a headache.
 
But John would have been referring to the overall Passover feasting week. It should not be conflated with the Paschal lamb.
He could have but since he quoted “Preparation day of the Passover” on that Friday, he is referring to the eve of the Passover. Hence not a possible answer for that particular verse. I couldn’t bend it like Beckham!

Furthermore John 18:28 indicates that the Jews have yet to eat their Passover meal on that day.
Make that, ‘most OT verses’ - not ‘all.’
And, where biblical references speak of the 14th as ‘Passover’, it refers to how the Passover period started about 3 pm of the 14th, just a few hours earlier than the switch point to the 15th.
Could you provide a chapter/verse in the OT that has the Passover other than the 14th? That would be an interesting precedent. Anyway, as long as the process kicks off on the 14th, I am contented that they are in compliance with God’s command.
 
Here is one of several references in the OT proving Passover was Abib (Nisan) 15th.
These are the stages of the people of Israel, when they went out of the land of Egypt by their companies under the leadership of Moses and Aaron. Moses wrote down their starting places, stage by stage, by command of the Lord, and these are their stages according to their starting places. They set out from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month. On the day after the Passover, the people of Israel went out triumphantly in the sight of all the Egyptians. (Numbers 33:1-3)
As you know, the people were told to stay in their houses with shoes on ready for instant departure when commanded. So the Passover sequence was as follows:
  • late 14th - lambs slain, blood applied doorposts
  • sunset - 14th Abib switches to 15th Abib
  • midnight 15th - death angel strikes Egyptians, passes over Israel
  • early morning 15th - Pharaoh summons Moses
  • daybreak 15th - Israelites leave in haste (Numbers 33:3)
 
I was very tempted to forward that up as an explanation but there is no convincing reason that was what John used.
Pope Benedict seemed to think that it was fairly convincing😉
It is this Passover date that is an itch that refuses to go away. It is just me. I don’ t like to leave open questions without a reasonable probable answer .🙂 John’s Gospel tries to plug in the gaps left out by the other 3 Gospels. But this one is a headache.
So, how do you explain John’s apparent ‘error’, then? Carelessness? Unfamiliarity with the Synoptics? Poor math skills?

On one level, the analysis that you’re looking for is valuable. From a 10,000-foot-view, however, you’re asking questions about Scripture and its reliability, which includes notions of Divine Inspiration.

If you cannot find a neat explanation tied up with a bow, what do you conclude? :hmmm:
 
From Hagan’s “Year of the Passover.” The historian Josephus was a Second Temple priest, so the dates for the Passover celebration he describes are the ones followed by Jesus and his later chroniclers. Without question.

The Passover celebration commemorates the release of the Hebrew slaves by the Egyptian pharaoh, which occurred an estimated thousand years before the times of Jesus. Note in the following passages that Nisan is described as being the first month in the Jewish Calendar, thus making the first day of Nisan the Jewish New Year as well.

“But when God had signified, that with one plague he would compel the Egyptians to let Hebrews go, he commanded Moses to tell the people that they should have a sacrifice ready, and they should prepare themselves on the tenth day of the month Xanthicus, against the fourteenth, (which month is called by the Egyptians Pharmuth, Nisan by the Hebrews; but the Macedonians call it Xanthicus,) and that he should carry the Hebrews with all they had. Accordingly, he having got the Hebrews ready for their departure, and having sorted the people into tribes, he kept them together in one place: but when the fourteenth day was come, and all were ready to depart they offered the sacrifice, and purified their houses with the blood, using bunches of hyssop for that purpose; and when they had supped, they burnt the remainder of the flesh, as just ready to depart. Whence it is that we do still offer this sacrifice in like manner to this day, and call this festival Pascha which signifies the feast of the passover; because on that day God passed us over, and sent the plague upon the Egyptians; for the destruction of the first-born came upon the Egyptians that night, so that many of the Egyptians who lived near the king’s palace, persuaded Pharaoh to let the Hebrews go. Accordingly he called for Moses, and bid them be gone; as supposing, that if once the Hebrews were gone out of the country, Egypt should be freed from its miseries. They also honored the Hebrews with gifts; some, in order to get them to depart quickly, and others on account of their neighborhood, and the friendship they had with them. (Antiq II 14:6)”

In the month of Xanthicus, which is by us called Nisan, and is the beginning of our year, on the fourteenth day of the lunar month, when the sun is in Aries, (for in this month it was that we were delivered from bondage under the Egyptians,) the law ordained that we should every year slay that sacrifice which I before told you we slew when we came out of Egypt, and which was called the Passover; and so we do celebrate this passover in companies, leaving nothing of what we sacrifice till theday following. The feast of unleavened bread succeeds that of the passover, and falls on the fifteenth day of the month, and continues seven days, wherein they feed on unleavened bread; on every one of which days two bulls are killed, and one ram, and seven lambs. Now these lambs are entirely burnt, besides the kid of the goats which is added to all the rest, for sins; for it is intended as a feast for the priest on every one of those days. But on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them. And while they suppose it proper to honor God, from whom they obtain this plentiful provision, in the first place, they offer the first-fruits of their barley, and that in the manner following: They take a handful of the ears, and dry them, then beat them small, and purge the barley from the bran; they then bring one tenth deal to the altar, to God; and, casting one handful of it upon the fire, they leave the rest for the use of the priest. And after this it is that they may publicly or privately reap their harvest. They also at this participation of the first-fruits of the earth, sacrifice a lamb, as a burnt-offering to God. (Antiq III 10:5)"

“And as the feast of unleavened bread was at hand, in the first month, which, according to the Macedonians, is called Xanthicus, but according to us Nisan, all the people ran together out of the villages to the city, and celebrated the festival, having purified themselves, with their wives and children, according to the law of their country; and they offered the sacrifice which was called the Passover, on the fourteenth day of the same month, and feasted seven days, and spared for no cost, but offered whole burnt-offerings to God, and performed sacrifices of thanksgiving, because God had led them again to the land of their fathers, and to the laws thereto belonging, and had rendered the mind of the king of Persia favorable to them. (Antiq XI 4:8)”

The Paschal feast of the Passover was celebrated on the fourteenth day of Nisan, with the feast of the unleavened bread being celebrated on the following seven days from the fifteenth through the twenty first days of Nisan.
 
I heard of that one as well. Pope Benedict says it is plausible but is it probable? It is probable if John has a reason to use the Essene calendar. But I haven’t come across that this Gospel was targeted at the Essenes audience or a reason to use the Essenes calendar. Perhaps one day such evidence may pop up.
So, how do you explain John’s apparent ‘error’, then? Carelessness? Unfamiliarity with the Synoptics? Poor math skills?
Since John’s Gospel is generally known to be the last of the 4 gospels , he would already know what has gone into the 3 earlier Gospels. Hence, he must be trying to say something additional, which was not in the others. He didn’t attempt to correct the others if others were wrong. Early Christians would have recognized this discrepancy and make some noise. But I failed to detect this noise so perhaps they knew something that we don’t and that all 4 gospels do sync.
On one level, the analysis that you’re looking for is valuable. From a 10,000-foot-view, however, you’re asking questions about Scripture and its reliability, which includes notions of Divine Inspiration.
If you cannot find a neat explanation tied up with a bow, what do you conclude? :hmmm:
I am looking for the Eureka moment.😃 I haven’t figure out John’s angle yet. He used Roman time for example and perhaps his audience weren’t for Jews. Essene calendar and Roman time?? I’ll continue to plod and perhaps one day the Eureka moment may come. I have no doubt about inerrancy.

And thanks to everyone for their (name removed by moderator)uts.
 
Here is one of several references in the OT proving Passover was Abib (Nisan) 15th.

As you know, the people were told to stay in their houses with shoes on ready for instant departure when commanded. So the Passover sequence was as follows:
  • late 14th - lambs slain, blood applied doorposts
  • sunset - 14th Abib switches to 15th Abib
  • midnight 15th - death angel strikes Egyptians, passes over Israel
  • early morning 15th - Pharaoh summons Moses
  • daybreak 15th - Israelites leave in haste (Numbers 33:3)
They left on the 15th, that is correct. But the passover lamb was killed on the 14th and that was when the countdown started and eaten on the 15th night.

Lev 23:5
Num 9:2-3
Num 9:5
Jos 5:10
2 Chro 30:15
Ezra 6:19

etc all state 14th.
 
OK then. That’s what I was saying in post #4. The lamb was always killed in the late afternoon of the 14th. So the Passover was on the 15th.

Not sure what you mean by the countdown beginning on the 14th.
 
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