Which days do we (and don't we) celebrate?

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Here are 4 days: C-day, E-day, Q-day and B-day. We only acknowledge and celebrate B-day. 😉 B-day stands for birthday. Can you guess what the other days stand for? Let me help. C-day is conception day. No one really knows or cares when it happens. E-day is embedding day, when the zygote is embedded in the uterus wall. Also no one knows or cares when it happens. Q-day is quickening day, when the embryo first moves. No one really cares.

The only significant day is the birthday. That is when the baby is born, and is considered to become a new human being. That is when a birth certificate is issued, and that day is also memorialized on the tombstone, when that human dies (as long as there is a tombstone). That is when a baby is allowed to inherit… not one day before.
 
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So is the point you’re trying to make that babies don’t become people until they’re born? Quite frankly, I don’t see what you’re trying to get at.
 
When Hallmark comes up with cards for C-day, E-day and all, let us know.
 
No one really cares??? I guess you’ve never talked to a VERY happy couple who just found out they are pregnant. I guess you’ve never talked to someone broken apart about losing their child partway through pregnancy.
 
There is a whole lot of things there that are contrary to a Christian or scientific worldview. But I’m just going to focus on one. The first one. C day. You are demonstrating a lack of education on the biology. In fact many, many people know the exact day of conception and they do care. With all 6 of my kids, I can tell you the day hour and place they were conceived. And if you want to get real technical we can say well, actual conception, the sperm meeting the egg, was within a certain amount of hours of the actual act. Not only that but many people using NFP (natural family planning) or who are trying to conceive know the date and time of ovulation, coitus and conception. My wife who is pregnant with our 7th and is due on the 22 of July has a full human inside her. Crying, eating, kicking, urinating… etc. It really doesn’t matter what day we celebrate, The fact is it is a human being. And I would fully support you celebrating any growth milestone in and out of the womb. For instance, we celebrate walking, talking, crawling, eating, school, driving, (turning 16 which for some reason is arbitrary as anything you mentioned.) 18, Graduation, 21, 25, (old enough to rent a car etc. We don’t convict children as adults either. So are they less than human? no.

One thing I’ve always pointed out to the superstitious types who believe in horoscopes is the modern technology we have now. Babies are born as early as 22 weeks sometimes. ( A full term pregnancy is 40 weeks) So lets say that a baby was born by c section at 32 weeks, they would be off by at as many as 2 signs in the astrological chart… So, shouldn’t all astrology be based on conception? LOL

While your point is trying to be philosophical you are lacking in factual assertions.
 
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The lack of traditional celebration days on the anniversary of events within a pregnancy does, in no way, change the fact that at the moment of conception, a unique and distinct set of human DNA is created and is the beginning of a brand new life.

In my heart during every second of my existence, and in my prayers every single night, I celebrate the moment that took place in my own womb, and every event in my daughter’s life since then. As Pitcairn referenced, when Hallmark decides to market C-days, E-days, and Q-days for its own gains, I’ll be glad to throw them $7 for some glittery cards to further mark the occasions. 👍
 
I’ve seen people throw entire parties to celebrate the ultrasound that shows the gender of the kid. Hallmark will probably make a card for that if you give them long enough.

Have you ever known anybody who just felt their baby move for the first time? Usually they are extremely happy and excited about it. Where are you getting the “No one really cares” bit?

There are also couples who celebrate when they get the positive pregnancy test. I’m sure if they could find out when C day and E day happened they’d celebrate that. A lot of couples also try to figure out when Conception Day was and often they can figure it and have a good memory of it.

I get the impression you have an extreme lack of real-life experience with any of these areas.
 
Keep in mind this is the same person who remarked about the grandmother who died while saving from her granddaughter from being hit by an Amtrak train, “Did she get a Darwin award, because she deserves one?”😠
 
LionHeart said:
Here are 4 days: C-day, E-day, Q-day and B-day. We only acknowledge and celebrate B-day. 😉 B-day stands for birthday. Can you guess what the other days stand for? Let me help. C-day is conception day. No one really knows or cares when it happens. E-day is embedding day, when the zygote is embedded in the uterus wall. Also no one knows or cares when it happens. Q-day is quickening day, when the embryo first moves. No one really cares.

The only significant day is the birthday. That is when the baby is born, and is considered to become a new human being. That is when a birth certificate is issued, and that day is also memorialized on the tombstone, when that human dies (as long as there is a tombstone). That is when a baby is allowed to inherit… not one day before.
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Another significant day is the day of Baptism. On that day, some Christians take a saintly or biblical name.
 
stpurl said:
Quite frankly, I don’t see what you’re trying to get at.
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This is the emotion-based “Gotcha!” argument that pro-choice people sometimes use to imply that, “Well, since you make a bigger deal about a kid’s birthday rather than the kid’s conception day, it means you don’t really believe the unborn are human either.”

It’s a very poor argument. Our recognition of birthdays is a cultural thing, not a scientific statement on when life begins.

I would hope the OP knows better than to try something like that here, so maybe he’s getting at something else…
 
LionHeart said:
Here are 4 days: C-day, E-day, Q-day and B-day. We only acknowledge and celebrate B-day. 😉 B-day stands for birthday. Can you guess what the other days stand for? Let me help. C-day is conception day. No one really knows or cares when it happens. E-day is embedding day, when the zygote is embedded in the uterus wall. Also no one knows or cares when it happens. Q-day is quickening day, when the embryo first moves. No one really cares.

The only significant day is the birthday. That is when the baby is born, and is considered to become a new human being. That is when a birth certificate is issued, and that day is also memorialized on the tombstone, when that human dies (as long as there is a tombstone). That is when a baby is allowed to inherit… not one day before.
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Life begins at conception so we do care about that!
 
LionHeart said:
That is when the baby is born, and is considered to become a new human being.
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Um… no.

Just because you lack certain legal rights before a moment in time, doesn’t mean that you’ve changed your essence from what you were before.

Suppose I can’t have a job until I’m 16. I don’t turn into a human being just because I turned 16— I’m a human being who happens to be old enough for a job.

Suppose I can’t vote until I’m 18. I don’t turn into a human being just because I now can vote-- I’m a human being who happens to be old enough to vote.

Suppose I can’t drink until I’m 21. I don’t turn into a human being because I now can drink-- I’m a human being who happens to be old enough to drink.

Suppose I can’t run for President until I’m 35. I don’t turn into a human being because I’m now eligible to be a Presidential candidate-- I’m a human being who happens to be old enough to be eligible for the Presidential nomination.

The same thing is true for birth. They don’t suddenly turn into a human being because they’re born— because otherwise, you’d be arguing that an unborn baby had an opportunity to be a chair, or an elephant, or a rock, or a tree while it was in utero, but-- oh my! look! it decided to be a human!

And so they’re born-- and now they have the opportunity to inherit, and to get a certificate testifying to the fact that they were born, and so on.

All the other things are mile markers on the way to that day— but birth is ultimately just a change in time and a change in geography. So you can have babies born at 26 weeks, or 30 weeks, or 35 weeks, or 41 weeks… they’re all people, even though they spent varying amounts of time in utero before birth.
 
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midori said:
Just because you lack certain legal rights before a moment in time, doesn’t mean that you’ve changed your essence from what you were before.
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Why do you have what you quoted against my name?? I did not say that!!
It was Lionheart who said that!!
 
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Ah, I thought I was at the top of the page. So I was quoting your quote. Let me change it…
 
midori said:
The same thing is true for birth.
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No, it is not the same. When you are born, and the umbilical cord is cut, and you take your first breath, THEN your biologically independent existence starts. Up until that point you are the appendix of the woman, taking nutrition, and not giving anything in return, which is the description of a parasitic existence. Some people like to play word-games, and declare that a parasite is different species, but that is hair-splitting. I do not call the fetus a parasite, I call it having a parasitic relationship with the woman.

After being born, the new infant (not a fetus any more) still requires certain a lot of care, and - if left alone - it cannot survive. But that does not override the fact that it is a biologically independent entity - usually and correctly called a child. Words are supposed to have meanings. A zygote is different from a blastocyst, and it is different from a fetus. They are all interconnected, but there is a significant difference - hence the different word to describe them.
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The lack of traditional celebration days on the anniversary of events within a pregnancy does, in no way, change the fact that at the moment of conception, a unique and distinct set of human DNA is created and is the beginning of a brand new life.
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The expression “a unique and distinct human DNA” is meaningless. There is no scientific method to describe: “this DNA is human, and that DNA is not human” because the DNA is not a precise set of molecules. What about mutations? At what point could we decide: “the mutation is so large, that this new being is a super-human (or a sub-human)?”
stpurl said:
Keep in mind this is the same person who remarked about the grandmother who died while saving from her granddaughter from being hit by an Amtrak train, “Did she get a Darwin award, because she deserves one?”
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Anyone who brings a child unto a railroad track without ascertaining that there is no train is coming to hit them , deserves what happens. That is an elementary precaution to take.
 
LionHeart said:
Some people like to play word-games, and declare that a parasite is different species, but that is hair-splitting. I do not call the fetus a parasite, I call it having a parasitic relationship with the woman.
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“Some people” includes yourself with this entire diatribe. You are doing nothing but splitting hairs and playing games through the entire thread.

Life begins at conception. Period, final.
 
LionHeart said:
When you are born, and the umbilical cord is cut, and you take your first breath, THEN your biologically independent existence starts.
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You don’t have kids, I see. 😉 I don’t expect my kids to be biologically independent until 18… 21… 25… 😉
LionHeart said:
Up until that point you are the appendix of the woman, taking nutrition, and not giving anything in return, which is the description of a parasitic existence.
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Reproduction is the way nature ensures life doesn’t die out on the planet. It’s not very intellectual to get parasitism confused with reproduction.
LionHeart said:
A zygote is different from a blastocyst, and it is different from a fetus. They are all interconnected,
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They’re all interconnected because they’re the same thing, at different stages of development. Sort of like how Fred the first grader, Fred the sixth grader, and Fred the high school graduate are all interconnected, because they’re the same person, but at different stages in their school life. Hence the different words to describe them— because Fred the first grader does not have access to the same knowledge that Fred the high school graduate has. And Fred the high school graduate is, most likely, much more physically developed than Fred the first grader ever was. But they’re still the same person— just at a different stage of development.
 
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