Which diocese adminsters confirmation BEFORE 1st communion?

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If you know of a diocese that places confirmation before 1st communion, please share.
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Mine does it at the same time, but does First reconciliation after first communion. 🤷
 
Love_Divine said:
Mine does it at the same time, but does First reconciliation after first communion. 🤷
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mmm. I’m curious about where First Communion is administered after both first confession and confirmation (even if confirmation is done at the same mass, but before Communion.) I’m asking about children that are already baptized, not RCIC or RCIA.
 
In the diocese of Tyler, TX children make First Confession in 2nd grade and receive Confirmation and First Communion in 3rd. It is at the same Mass with Confirmation first. There are always some older children receiving one or both but that’s the target age.

I believe the Diocese of Phoenix has a similar sequence.
 
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mmm. I’m curious about where First Communion is administered after both first confession and confirmation (even if confirmation is done at the same mass, but before Communion.) I’m asking about children that are already baptized, not RCIC or RCIA.
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Those are the children I’m talking about. First reconciliation now happens in grade 4. Confirmation and first communion happen at eh same time now in grade 2.
 
Why would they do first reconciliation after first communion? :confused:
 
Love_Divine said:
Those are the children I’m talking about. First reconciliation now happens in grade 4. Confirmation and first communion happen at eh same time now in grade 2.
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this simply cannot happen. firs confession must be offered before either of the other two. If it is the rule in your diocese there is not much you can do about it except prepare your own child and present him for confession when he is ready.
 
puzzleannie said:
this simply cannot happen. firs confession must be offered before either of the other two. If it is the rule in your diocese there is not much you can do about it except prepare your own child and present him for confession when he is ready.
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But even then, the bishop cannot set aside what Redemptionis Sacramentum has indicated is a serious abuse.

Since Tyler is going to be receiving another bishop, as theirs has been named to a see in Puergo Rico, I wonder if the order of sacraments will change.
 
In my diocese (Rochester, NY), it is up to the pastor of each parish.

In our Cathedral parish, we have restored order,
so children as young as 7 are being Confirmed at the same Mass where they
receive Eucharist for the first time. First Reconciliation happens first, and all children are interviewed by the priest’s to make sure they are ready.

In the parish I attend most regularly Confirmation is done in 8th grade.

There are a couple of parishes that I know of that wait until 10th grade.

I think we have around 165 parishes, and probaly 10 of them do Restored order.
Most of the time it is “middle-school” where here is 6-8th graders.

For me (back in the late 70’s-early 80’s) it was -
First Communion= 2nd grade
First Reconciliation= 4th grade
Confirmation= 8th grade.

FWIW, I think that everyone should go back to restored order.
Baptise infants. Teach/live the faith in the home and get the child involved in a solid religious ed program and if your parish doesn’t have one, get one started. 👍
And once the child is at the “age of reason”, start with Reconciliation. IMHO, once I child is old enough to understand (in an age-appropriate & general sense) that sin is hurting God, and it’s bad just because it hurt’s God, not just because you are going to be punished, they are ready to be brought into full-communion with the community.

In my ideal world 😃 , this decision will be made jointly with the child, parents/guardians, the religious ed teacher/director and the priest.
And, a program of on-going, family oriented faith formation, as well as plenty of oportunities for more age focused catechesis, for everyone- pre-school through senior citizens!

Disclaimer
I have no children of my own, so I am not involved at all in any faith formation for children.
I have however lead a couple of "adult education/book group/bible study " types of things in the past few years, so I am trying to do my part!! 😉
 
benedictgal said:
But even then, the bishop cannot set aside what Redemptionis Sacramentum has indicated is a serious abuse.

Since Tyler is going to be receiving another bishop, as theirs has been named to a see in Puerto Rico, I wonder if the order of sacraments will change.
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I hope not. 😦
 
In the Archdiocese of Washington and the Archdiocese of Baltimore the order is usually 1st Confession, then 1st Eucharist (1-2 Grade) and then Confirmation around 8th grade. My Catholic freinds would always take about the various sacraments.

However if you do RCIA I think its Confession, Confirmation, then first Communion.

Hope this helped!
 
ConstantineTG said:
Why not? Especially if the kids are below the age of reason. And besides, what can a 7 or 8 year old do that is a mortal sin?
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However, the CDWDS specificially states that first confession must precede reception of First Holy Communion in the Latin Church. Many a diocese has been called to task for not doing this.
 
benedictgal said:
However, the CDWDS specificially states that first confession must precede reception of First Holy Communion in the Latin Church. Many a diocese has been called to task for not doing this.
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It’s a widespread practice actually. All three dioceses where my children made their First Communion had Reconciliation a year or so afterwards. The priest who interviewed DD before her First Communion actually did an examination of conscience with her at the time and then gave her absolution. I was quite surprised by that. She prepared for Reconciliation the next year.
 
Our girls were both baptized at about 6 weeks, Chrismated (received Confirmation) as babies, and received the Sacrament of Reconciliation and First Eucharist at about 7 years of age.

My husband is Ruthenian Catholic, though we have never lived near one of his churches. Thus the girls were baptized in our Latin parishes, but traveled to his home parish for Chrismation when we were able. They were enrolled in our parish school and received Reconciliation and First Eucharist with their classes, but really had folks confused when eighth grade rolled around and they were already long since confirmed; the entire eighth grade religious curriculum revolved around Confirmation.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Why not? Especially if the kids are below the age of reason. And besides, what can a 7 or 8 year old do that is a mortal sin?
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benedictgal said:
However, the CDWDS specificially states that first confession must precede reception of First Holy Communion in the Latin Church. Many a diocese has been called to task for not doing this.
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There is the liturgical law of the Church that forbits it, for one thing. Second, the confession of venial sins is good practice that would greatly help even younger chidren. Third, some sins that are not mortal at could well be mortal by 12. And fourth, Catholics are bound by the precepts of the Church to confess serious or grave sins at least once a year after the age of reason. 7 and 8 year olds are very capable of serious sin even if it isn’t mortal due to their lack of full knowledge.

If they are below the age of reason, they woudn’t be making First Communion either in the Latin rite.
Phemie said:
It’s a widespread practice actually. All three dioceses where my children made their First Communion had Reconciliation a year or so afterwards. The priest who interviewed DD before her First Communion actually did an examination of conscience with her at the time and then gave her absolution. I was quite surprised by that. She prepared for Reconciliation the next year.
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So she made her first Confession (although maybe not in a licit form) before she was catechized for Reconcilliation. Unusual, but technically as long as she received the Sacrament before FHC, she did things in the proper order.
dixieagle said:
Our girls were both baptized at about 6 weeks, Chrismated (received Confirmation) as babies, and received the Sacrament of Reconciliation and First Eucharist at about 7 years of age.

My husband is Ruthenian Catholic, though we have never lived near one of his churches. Thus the girls were baptized in our Latin parishes, but traveled to his home parish for Chrismation when we were able. They were enrolled in our parish school and received Reconciliation and First Eucharist with their classes, but really had folks confused when eighth grade rolled around and they were already long since confirmed; the entire eighth grade religious curriculum revolved around Confirmation.
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The Eastern Church sequence is different, of course.

We actually have quite a few children in our parish that are in the same situation even without an Eastern influence. We have a lot of fairly recent immigrant families from Mexico. In some diocese in Mexico, they hung onto the practice of Confirming with Baptism. I think that practice came out as a response to the Mexican Church persecutions. So, every year we have one or two kids making First Communion that have already been Confirmed.
 
I was baptized and confirmed as an infant in Texas. Then I made my first communion at 8 years and first confession at 9 years old.
 
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