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Beautiful_Day
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Thank you for the link!!!
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Phemie
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In Canada, the ones I’m aware of are Victoria, Prince Albert, Saskatoon, Regina (12 parishes – they have a very rural population so home-based catechesis is the norm) and St. John’s.
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Cider
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It’s tradition. Because children that are below the age of reason can’t sin, so they have nothing to confess. But traditionally baptism, chrismation/confirmation and first communion occurred at the same time in infancy and children received communion with their parents. Once they hit the age of reason they start making use of the sacrament of penance.Why would they do first reconciliation after first communion?
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Cider
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That is assuming the children are above the age of reason when they first receive. Which is not the oldest tradition of the church.
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Corki
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Redeptionis doesn’t apply to the Eastern Rites. In the Latin Rite, being above the age of reason is a requirement for FHC. Communion is not given to infants in the Latin rite. A Latin rite parish can’t claim “older tradition” to give FHC before First Confession.
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TheMc
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I don’t know.Why would they do first reconciliation after first communion?
Why do priests wear stoles over their chusables?
Why do priests ignore the rubrics?
I am thinking the answer for all three of these questions is one in the same…
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Brendan
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But if they are a Roman Catholic, they should not be recieving the Blessed Sacrament before the age of Reason anyway, so the question still stands.
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Cider
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Really they can’t claim older tradition? from Catholic encyclopedia
The most explicit passage is in the letter of Pope Innocent I to Decentius: "As regards the sealing of infants, it is clear that it is not lawful for it to be done by anyone but a bishop [non ab aliis quam ab episcopo fieri licere].
Thus the Synod of Worcester (1240) decreed that parents who neglected to have their child confirmed within a year after birth should be forbidden to enter the church. The Synod of Exeter (1287) enacted that children should be confirmed within three years from birth, otherwise the parents were to fast on bread and water until they complied with the law.
clearly baptism, chrismation and first communion given together even to infants is the oldest tradition in the church.
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Corki
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In terms of Church discipline, older isn’t better. The current rule is First Confession before First Communion. It’s the current liturgical law that a pastor must follow, not the law from the 13th century.
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Cider
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Yes I realize that the Church changes disciplines.
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MissRose73
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If the rule was to have children have First Penance before First Communion, I never knew it existed.
I remember reading on an EF Parish website that they do sacraments in this order for children:
Baptism - infancy
First Penance/Confession (first part of school year) and then followed by First Holy Communion (second part of school year) - usually around ages 7 to 9 (2nd graders)
Confirmation - ages 13/14 - (8th graders - 2nd part of school year)
I remember reading on an EF Parish website that they do sacraments in this order for children:
Baptism - infancy
First Penance/Confession (first part of school year) and then followed by First Holy Communion (second part of school year) - usually around ages 7 to 9 (2nd graders)
Confirmation - ages 13/14 - (8th graders - 2nd part of school year)
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runningdude
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When I was in the second or third grade, we were taught that confession would make us perfectly pure for Holy Communion. It just doesn’t make sense to reverse the order, even if young children generally can’t commit grave sin with full consent.
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Corki
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It’s part of the 1983 Canon Law. It was re-iterated in Redemtionis Sacramentum in 2004.
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Most OF parishes follow a similar order with the actual ages for each Sacrament set by the Bishop.
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MissRose73
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I received my First Communion before 1983 but my first Penance in 1983.
My sister’s kids did not have go to Penance before they received all 3 sacraments of initiation at Easter Vigil but have gone after that.
My sister’s kids did not have go to Penance before they received all 3 sacraments of initiation at Easter Vigil but have gone after that.
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Phemie
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No one needs to receive Penance if they’re being baptized since Baptism washes away all sin.
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Chatter163
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That was during the Dark Days, when abuses were at their worst. It was controversial at the time, and I remember reading about parishes doing that in* The Wanderer*. Gradually things have been getting better.
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