Which documents/decrees of the Second Vatican Council do the SSPX oppose?

[Prodigal1984]

Well that’s why I asked which documents of the Council are a stumbling block.
As for the Mass itself, that has nothing to do with it anymore I wouldn’t think. The EF is totally fine to say for any priest. I know priests who are diocese priests who say it on Sundays at a diocese church. It isn’t like you need any circumstances to celebrate it.
I assume it comes down to more legalistic problems with defining what something the council said was what they say is at odds with the longstanding tradition of the Church.

 

[Bonaventurian]

Bonaventurian:

Wow, I see there’s quite the agenda being propagated on this website. My reply was removed without a word as to why.

You know that’s a form of deceit, right mods?

Unfortunately many here seem to be against the SSPX whatever the reason and whatever the topic, which is quite saddening to see/read. As far as I understand some debate about the SSPX and their doings without having full knowledge of them and/or their work and interactions with other priests and orders.

Which is really unfortunate to see. They aren’t villains or schismatics like a lot of Catholics are lead to believe.

 

[Petrus1]

Which is really unfortunate to see. They aren’t villains or schismatics like a lot of Catholics are lead to believe.

Unfortunately the real villains are in the dioceses and so on, plotting and scheming against the Church while posing as good men and women.
I would also like to add that the overused story of “good and faithful Catholic shouldn’t go there” helps to sustain these erroneous views and beliefs.

 

[Bonaventurian]

Bonaventurian:

Which is really unfortunate to see. They aren’t villains or schismatics like a lot of Catholics are lead to believe.

Unfortunately the real villains are in the dioceses and so on, plotting and scheming against the Church while posing as good men and women.
I would also like to add that the overused story of “good and faithful Catholic shouldn’t go there” helps to sustain these erroneous views and beliefs.

Blind obedience is not a Catholic virtue. Which was the jist of my comment which was removed. Catholics must be obedient to the deposit of faith from Jesus Christ through Church Tradition above even the hierarchy.

 

[Prodigal1984]

Something that bothered me the other day was someone said my priest at the OF church I go to will not talk about any “sensitive” issues because the bishop doesn’t allow it. So basically we have a generation of Catholics, people like Kristen Gillibrand who are saying the Church is wrong on some of its teachings, as if she is smarter than 2000 years of teaching. Why do so many Catholics support things which are against Church teaching we ask? Because the Church doesn’t really teach it! How many sins are you only aware of from searching it out yourself? How is the Church telling us we are opposing Church teaching when we never even hear it taught?

 

[commenter]

In the 1970s the great majority of SSPX clergy had worked in the Dioceses far more than in the SSPX. Today the situation is reversed.

Does this change in the background of the clergy affect the SSPX?

 

[Dovekin]

Catholics must be obedient to the deposit of faith from Jesus Christ through Church Tradition above even the hierarchy.

Does SSPX doubt the teaching in Dei Verbum as well? I have never heard that before…

the task of authentically interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on, has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church, whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ. This teaching office is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on, listening to it devoutly, guarding it scrupulously and explaining it faithfully in accord with a divine commission and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it draws from this one deposit of faith everything which it presents for belief as divinely revealed.

It is clear, therefore, that sacred tradition, Sacred Scripture and the teaching authority of the Church, in accord with God’s most wise design, are so linked and joined together that one cannot stand without the others, and that all together and each in its own way under the action of the one Holy Spirit contribute effectively to the salvation of souls.
Dei Verbum 10

 

[Bonaventurian]

Bonaventurian:

Catholics must be obedient to the deposit of faith from Jesus Christ through Church Tradition above even the hierarchy.

Does SSPX doubt the teaching in Dei Verbum as well? I have never heard that before…

the task of authentically interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on, has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church, whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ. This teaching office is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on, listening to it devoutly, guarding it scrupulously and explaining it faithfully in accord with a divine commission and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it draws from this one deposit of faith everything which it presents for belief as divinely revealed.

It is clear, therefore, that sacred tradition, Sacred Scripture and the teaching authority of the Church, in accord with God’s most wise design, are so linked and joined together that one cannot stand without the others, and that all together and each in its own way under the action of the one Holy Spirit contribute effectively to the salvation of souls.
Dei Verbum 10

Yes, but not with Dei Verbum 10, they have concerns over the imprecise nature of Dei Verbum 8:

"1. The constitution Dei Verbum states imprecisely that,

“With the passing of time, the Church constantly moves forward toward the fullness of divine truth, until the words of God reach their complete fulfillment in her. (DV, 8)”

This lack of precision opens the door to the error of a living and evolving Tradition, which was condemned by St. Pius X in the encyclical Pascendi and the Anti-modernist Oath . For the Church can “move toward the fullness of divine truth” only in that it gives a more precise expression of the truth, not in the sense that the dogmas proposed by the Church could receive “a different meaning from that which the Church meant and still means.” ( Dei Filius , DS 3043)"

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