Which fornication is worse?

[ALLGIRLS]

From an objective standpoint, they’re both the same, and if both couples died without repenting, they’d be damned just the same. It would appear, though, that perhaps the first couple was trying to wait, but gave in to temptation (in which case, it being just 10 days b/f their marriage, they would probably feel awful about it. I’m just speculating, though). The 2nd couple would appear to not care at all about fornication being sinful, in which case they would seem less likely to repent. Being only on the 2nd date, they would also have a LOT more time to continually fall into sin than the first couple, so they’d be “worse off” in that regard.

In Christ,
Ellen

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Let’s say a Catholic couple has sex for the first time 10 days before their wedding after a two year courtship. Another Catholic “couple” has sex for the first time on the second date. Does anyone here believe that these two are equally fornication?

Let’s put this into fast forward: What if the first couple goes on to get divorced and remarried to other people and the second couple gets married and have a happy, holy marriage? Does this affect the severity of the sin?

 

[KCT]

Does anyone here believe that these two are equally fornication?

I do.

Do you not think so? If you don’t, why not?

 

[teeboy]

Yes. But the first example makes me queasy. What an awful thing for two people who wish to marry to do to one another.

People who have sex on the first date are messed up. A Catholic couple less than two weeks from the altar leading each other into sin? That’s tremendously sad.

Don’t strain the flea and swallow the camel.

Woa to the pharisees.

 

[KCT]

Let’s say a Catholic couple has sex for the first time 10 days before their wedding after a two year courtship. Another Catholic “couple” has sex for the first time on the second date. Does anyone here believe that these two are equally fornication?

Equally is an adverb and fornication is a noun, so I’m going to make up a new word: fornicative.

The acts are equally fornicative.

 

[underacloud]

Equally is an adverb and fornication is a noun, so I’m going to make up a new word: fornicative.

The acts are equally fornicative.

Priceless!

 

[TheAdvocate]

Yes. They are equally grave matter. If done with full knowledge and free will, they are equally mortal sins.

Based on your other post on this topic, you seem awfully intent on proving that sex between “committed” people (whatever that means) is not fornication and therefore not “wrong”. You are not going to prove this, because it is fornication.

No, I’m not trying to prove it, only to discuss it. My general attitude is that if it’s a sin, don’t do it–this would also apply to venial sin. But I do find it annoying when people would equate the two completely. In my mind, they are both wrong, but I’m just not going to equate a second date fling with a very nearly married couple.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Do you think Christ would of made a distinction between the two scenarios u propose ?
Did Christ teach situation ethics …might excuse or make fornication free-will sin less culpable ?

As far as I know, Jesus taught nothing about fornication.

Paul did, but I believe he was mostly talking about casual sex for fun, like what the Romans and Corinthians did with prostitutes or in orgies. The word fornication itself comes from the word “fornix” in Latin which meant “arch.” This is because prostitutes waited for customers under archways, where their presence was tolerated by Roman society.

I just wouldn’t call sex between two people a stone’s throw away from marriage fornication in the original sense of the word. Perhaps they lost themselves in the throes of passion just before the wedding. Maybe they didn’t exercise full consent. But fornication…meh.

 

[LightFromLight]

As far as the object goes, they are equal acts. God’s judgment will not relie on object alone however, as he is the perfect judge of heart and mind. It’s possible either one might be more grave given what the individuals know, full consent etc. Both will almost certainly lead your soul to hell left unrepentant.

Remember when that Jesus guy condemned that evil woman who comitted the awful sin of adultery? Oh wait, he didn’t.

You cannot possibly know if God will send someone to hell for these particular acts, you do not know the intentions of the individuals. He does not think like you or I.

 

[Brendan]

Sex is not some horrible act, without it you would not exist. I doubt the first instance would anger God, as they have the intention to spend the rest of their lives together. That being said, any fornication outside marriage is by default a sin, so confession is still a must. Better safe than sorry.

But sin, by definition, angers God.

Thus both instances will anger God.

 

[LightFromLight]

But sin, by definition, angers God.

Thus both instances will anger God.

We do not know how sinful it really is. It seems absurd to think these are the people who will be cast into hell, when we see real corruption in the world. A man and a woman who love each other having sex outside marriage isn’t on par with people who use others purely as instruments for their pleasure.

 

[Moore11]

Let’s say a Catholic couple has sex for the first time 10 days before their wedding after a two year courtship. Another Catholic “couple” has sex for the first time on the second date. Does anyone here believe that these two are equally fornication?

Lets say a Catholic dies in mortal sin do they go to hell?

 

[aprilfloyd]

Let’s say a Catholic couple has sex for the first time 10 days before their wedding after a two year courtship. Another Catholic “couple” has sex for the first time on the second date. Does anyone here believe that these two are equally fornication?

I agree with others on this post it is a non-issue. Assuming they are all consenting adults, then they are just doing what comes naturally. Hardly a grave issue.

 

[Moore11]

We do not know how sinful it really is. It seems absurd to think these are the people who will be cast into hell, when we see real corruption in the world. A man and a woman who love each other having sex outside marriage isn’t on par with people who use others purely as instruments for their pleasure.

??? You are a Catholic who rejects the teaching of the Church? That either means you reject your own religion or you just do not understand it.
The Church teaches, de fide that if you die in unrepentant mortal sin you go to hell.

 

[KCT]

No, I’m not trying to prove it, only to discuss it. My general attitude is that if it’s a sin, don’t do it–this would also apply to venial sin. But I do find it annoying when people would equate the two completely. In my mind, they are both wrong, but I’m just not going to equate a second date fling with a very nearly married couple.

‘Nearly’ seems to be the key word. They are not married yet, as the couple on a second date is not married.

It’s not the feelings of the couple or the amount of time they have known each other that matters, it’s the lack of marriage the matters. Both equally lack marriage.

(so they’re equally fornicative. gotta use my new word )

 

[aprilfloyd]

??? You are a Catholic who rejects the teaching of the Church? That either means you reject your own religion or you just do not understand it.
The Church teaches, de fide that if you die in unrepentant mortal sin you go to hell.

It does not mean that. I could mean that Catholicism may have got things wrong. Better to have an open mind, I think

 

[Bruised_Reed]

(…) Better to have an open mind, I think

Yes, what could go wrong with that?

 

[aprilfloyd]

Yes, what could go wrong with that?

Maybe you are right - better keep it closed, then

 

[Bruised_Reed]

Maybe you are right - better keep it closed, then

GIGO

 

[aprilfloyd]

GIGO

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