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Originally Posted by justasking4
I didn’t say they were voided. Rather that keeping the 10 commandments does not lead to life since no man can keep them perfectly.
I would suspect all that study the scriptures would. If someone were to claim this is not true i would want to know who in human history (except the Lord Jesus) could keep the Law of God perfectly throughout their lives?KJK80
Do all Protestant’s believe this?
Not necessarily. Do all catholics understand and interpret catholic doctrines and practices the same?Obviously this can’t be open to personal interpretation of Scripture… So anybody who reads the Bible should read it the same…
Part A) So how do you explain Sabbatarians? Are they not Christian?I would suspect all that study the scriptures would. If someone were to claim this is not true i would want to know who in human history (except the Lord Jesus) could keep the Law of God perfectly throughout their lives?
It is impossible for fallen human beings to do this. Absolutely impossible.
Not necessarily. Do all catholics understand and interpret catholic doctrines and practices the same?
If this is true, why did Jesus tell the man he could enter life by keeping them?I didn’t say they were voided. Rather that keeping the 10 commandments does not lead to life since no man can keep them perfectly.
Why do you think God commands us to do the impossible?I would suspect all that study the scriptures would. If someone were to claim this is not true i would want to know who in human history (except the Lord Jesus) could keep the Law of God perfectly throughout their lives?
It is impossible for fallen human beings to do this. Absolutely impossible.
Do you have chapter and verse for this?If this is true, why did Jesus tell the man he could enter life by keeping them?
Matthew 19:17Do you have chapter and verse for this?
If they believe the gospel they would be.KJK80;3492582]Part A) So how do you explain Sabbatarians? Are they not Christian?
Even if a person reads the catechism they still have to do there own interpretation and their interpretations may be different than someone else’. There is no way to get around this.Part B) Read the Catechism… that’ll get you 99.9% of the way there when it comes to interpretation… there’s a little bit that is open to personal interpretation…
i agree.but I think the day of worship and why is pretty specific…
I don’t find that personally true. The problem is that most people don’t read it at all.Apparently the Bible is a little tougher to interpret…
i don’t think a church sets out to get it intentionally wrong. There are a lot factors that can influence the way a person or church interprets scripture which can result in an incorrect interpretation of them. The marian doctrines are a classic example of using the scriptures incorrectly.or are certain church’s just intentionally getting it “wrong” ?
So as long as you believe the gospel anything goes?If they believe the gospel they would be.
I don’t think this is true, since the Marian Doctrines come out of Sacred Tradition, and not scriptures. Although there are scriptural references, these doctrines cannot be upheld only by scripture.i don’t think a church sets out to get it intentionally wrong. There are a lot factors that can influence the way a person or church interprets scripture which can result in an incorrect interpretation of them. The marian doctrines are a classic example of using the scriptures incorrectly.
It is true that to keep the commandments perfectly would mean a person would enter life. It would mean that man would be sinless and would not need a Savior and would gain heaven. The problem is that this man failed to keep the Law perfectly even though he thought he did until he was confronted with this challenge by Christ.Matthew 19:17
So he was sinless? Until God changed the rules?It is true that to keep the commandments perfectly would mean a person would enter life. It would mean that man would be sinless and would not need a Savior and would gain heaven. The problem is that this man failed to keep the Law perfectly even though he thought he did until he was confronted with this challenge by Christ.
If a person truly believes the gospel he will not want to sin and follow Christ. People who think that they can keep on sinning and not worry about it and don’t pursue Christ are only fooling themselves. This is a good indication they never truly beleived to begin with.KJK80;3492688]So as long as you believe the gospel anything goes?
What are the components of the gospel in the catholic church?Does the Catholic church believe the gospel?
But Jesus never said he didn’t keep the commandments! He told him he had kept them all from his youth, and Jesus did not contradict him!It is true that to keep the commandments perfectly would mean a person would enter life. It would mean that man would be sinless and would not need a Savior and would gain heaven. The problem is that this man failed to keep the Law perfectly even though he thought he did until he was confronted with this challenge by Christ.
I didn’t know there were “components” to the gospel…What are the components of the gospel in the catholic church?
No. He was unable to take up the challenge of Christ because he was unable to love his neighbor as himself. See verse 19b and 22. He broke this commandment as Jesus spelled out in verse 19bSo he was sinless? Until God changed the rules?
Must a catholic believe all that the catholic church teaches to be saved? Must he believe that Mary was assumed into heaven to be saved for example?I didn’t know there were “components” to the gospel…
What are these components?
Love your neighbor as yourself is one of the 10 commandments?No. He was unable to take up the challenge of Christ because he was unable to love his neighbor as himself. See verse 19b and 22. He broke this commandment as Jesus spelled out in verse 19b
Wow, that has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked you, based on what you asked me.Must a catholic believe all that the catholic church teaches to be saved? Must he believe that Mary was assumed into heaven to be saved for example?
Jesus challenged him in verse 18-19. Verse 19b was the one that i think showed he could not keep i.e. love your neighbor as yourself by giving up all his wealth to the poor.guanophore;3492712]But Jesus never said he didn’t keep the commandments! He told him he had kept them all from his youth, and Jesus did not contradict him!
We stiill have the sin principle in our bodies that causes us to that which we don’t want to do. See Romans 7:15-24.Since Christians are set free from the slavery of sin, then why can’t they keep the commandments?
They do apply in some cases but even here we are not able to always keep them perfectly. Until we get new resurrected bodies we will have to still contend with sin and evil.Or do you think they don’t apply?
Then i must not have been clear. I Corinthians 15:1-4 lays out the specifics of the gospel and Romans 10:9-10 tells us how.Wow, that has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked you, based on what you asked me.
I don’t see anything there that conflicts with the teachings of the Catholic church…Then i must not have been clear. I Corinthians 15:1-4 lays out the specifics of the gospel and Romans 10:9-10 tells us how.
Is there more to the gospel message than this for catholics?