Which high day of worship for a Protestant??

[KJK80]

This is a question strictly for Protestant Christians…

If your day of church worship is Sunday, please prove this based on the Bible alone (sola scriptura). Please state where the command is that replaced the seventh day Sabbath command.

Likewise, if your day of church worship is Saturday/Sabbath, please prove from Biblical and Jewish sources, that as a non-Jew (either by birth or conversion) that it is proper to do so… and then, please show Biblically how you are to keep the Sabbath underthe new covenant.

There’s a lot of demands on Catholic’s lately to prove their beliefs by the Bible alone… However, I am flipping the coin, I would like to see Protestant’s prove one of their beliefs Biblically… Then we will go from there!

Thanks for your time!!

 

[HannahLisa]

Okay, first of all I haven’t done a lot of research on this. However, I’ve always been told that we worship on Sunday because Jesus rose on Sunday. We celebrate His Resurrection. I have never read anything in the Bible specifically saying “worship on Sunday” but then again I haven’t read the entire Bible!

I think I was going to an Episcopal church when I heard this, but I think it would apply to any Protestant church.

This rationale of “Jesus rose on Sunday, therefore it is a feast day” is also used as a reason not to fast on Sundays during Lent. I know Episcopalians and some Catholics do this.

 

[theologuscrucis]

Lutherans do not observe holy days as if commanded by God since Christ is the reality to which the Sabbaths pointed (Colossians 2:16). One may, without sin, observe every day alike (Romans 14:5-6).

Rather, we in Christian freedom observe Sunday and days of the church year because they help with the proclamation of the gospel. As the Augsburg Confession says,

1] Of Usages in the Church they teach that those ought to be observed which may be observed without sin, and which are profitable unto tranquillity and good order in the Church, as particular holy days, festivals, and the like.

2] Nevertheless, concerning such things men are admonished that consciences are not to be burdened, as though such observance was necessary to salvation.

3] They are admonished also that human traditions instituted to propitiate God, to merit grace, and to make satisfaction for sins, are opposed to the Gospel and the doctrine of faith. Wherefore vows and traditions concerning meats and 4] days, etc., instituted to merit grace and to make satisfaction for sins, are useless and contrary to the Gospel.

 

[Cleopas]

Typically most churches I have attended worship on Sunday. The Biblical basis is the precedent set by the New Testament church to do so (see Acts 20:7, & 1 Corinthians 16:2), besides any attendance at the synagogue on the Sabbath (in the NT mostly and evangelistic tool and/or Jewish Christian practice). Likewise, we do not compel any certain day as required for worship, since under the New Covenant such is a matter of Christin liberty and conscience (Romans 14:5-6, & Colossians 2:26).

Furthermore, as for those who choose to worship on the sabbath, since the sabbath preceded the law, and since the NT church evidently normally assembled on both the Sabbath and/or the first day of the week, besides noting the injunction above to let each person decided for himself with regards to the how they observe days, there is ample room within the confines of NT Christianity to permit worship on the Sabbath for both Jew and Gentile.

 

[NDfan]

This is a question strictly for Protestant Christians…

If your day of church worship is Sunday, please prove this based on the Bible alone (sola scriptura). Please state where the command is that replaced the seventh day Sabbath command.

Likewise, if your day of church worship is Saturday/Sabbath, please prove from Biblical and Jewish sources, that as a non-Jew (either by birth or conversion) that it is proper to do so… and then, please show Biblically how you are to keep the Sabbath underthe new covenant.

There’s a lot of demands on Catholic’s lately to prove their beliefs by the Bible alone… However, I am flipping the coin, I would like to see Protestant’s prove one of their beliefs Biblically… Then we will go from there!

Thanks for your time!!

KJ you are confused about what sola scripture means. Protestants don’t have to prove that worshipping on Sundays is scripturally based. Sola Scripture just means that church doctrine cannot contradict scripture. Since the Bible is not clear about when to actually worship I see no problem with choosing Sunday since it is the day our great savior was resurrected.

Jesus plainly states that as often as we eat the bread and drink from the cup we proclaim HIS death. Based on that we could worship everyday and be well within scripture.

The OT is very clear about the Jewish feasts and when they are to be observed. But then again we are Gentiles or at least I am. I know of one denomination that worships on Saturday and that is Hebrew Pentacostals. But they also celebrate the Jewish feasts because Jesus did.

This issue gets discussed so much here it’s like a broken record.

PEACE

 

[KJK80]

KJ you are confused about what sola scripture means. Protestants don’t have to prove that worshipping on Sundays is scripturally based. Sola Scripture just means that church doctrine cannot contradict scripture. Since the Bible is not clear about when to actually worship I see no problem with choosing Sunday since it is the day our great savior was resurrected.

Jesus plainly states that as often as we eat the bread and drink from the cup we proclaim HIS death. Based on that we could worship everyday and be well within scripture.

The OT is very clear about the Jewish feasts and when they are to be observed. But then again we are Gentiles or at least I am. I know of one denomination that worships on Saturday and that is Hebrew Pentacostals. But they also celebrate the Jewish feasts because Jesus did.

This issue gets discussed so much here it’s like a broken record.

PEACE

Actually, I have not seen a standard definition for sola scriptura that all Protestants agree upon… can you share?

I’m relieved to hear this though… as it easily clears up that indeed the marian doctrines, purgatory, transubstantiation, etc. perfectly align with sola scriptura. Awesome!

 

[justasking4]

KJK80;3486878]Actually, I have not seen a standard definition for sola scriptura that all Protestants agree upon… can you share?

This is one that i use:
Sola scriptura teaches that the Scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith for the Church. The doctrine does not say that there are not other, fallible, rules of faith, or even traditions, that we can refer to and even embrace. It does say, however, that the only infallible rule of faith is Scripture. This means that all other rules, whether we call them traditions, confessions of faith, creeds, or anything else, are by nature inferior to and subject to correction by, the Scriptures. The Bible is an ultimate authority, allowing no equal, nor superior, in tradition or church. It is so because it is theopneustos, God-breathed, and hence embodies the very speaking of God, and must, of necessity therefore be of the highest authority.

I’m relieved to hear this though… as it easily clears up that indeed the marian doctrines, purgatory, transubstantiation, etc. perfectly align with sola scriptura. Awesome!

You are mistaken. These doctrines are not found in the Scriptures.

 

[KJK80]

You are mistaken. These doctrines are not found in the Scriptures.

Thanks for your definition of sola scriptura.

These doctrines are not specifically denied by scripture either.

You will not find a command to worship on Sunday in the scripture’s, yet I checked my local Lutheran church’s available services, and they only have a Sunday service available…

 

[justasking4]

KJK80;3487714]
Originally Posted by justasking4

You are mistaken. These doctrines are not found in the Scriptures.
KJK80
Thanks for your definition of sola scriptura.

These doctrines are not specifically denied by scripture either.

Of course they are denied. Take the immaculate conception of Mary i.e. that she was kept from sin all her life. That is a direct denial of Romans 3:10 and Romans 5:12. Secondly there is no evidence about her supposed assumption. Third since you are making the claim these doctrines are true you bear the burden to demonstrate that they with evidence from the scriptures.

You will not find a command to worship on Sunday in the scripture’s, yet I checked my local Lutheran church’s available services, and they only have a Sunday service available…

This is true. The reason the church worships on Sunday is that this was the day Christ rose from the dead. This event was powerful enough for a Jew to change from worshipping on the Sabath i.e. Saturday to Sunday.

 

[HannahLisa]

One could also argue that the day on which to worship is simply not important enough to be a doctrine.

Is it specifically stated in Catholic doctrine that Sunday is the day of worship and why?

 

[KJK80]

Third since you are making the claim these doctrines are true you bear the burden to demonstrate that they with evidence from the scriptures.

This is true. The reason the church worships on Sunday is that this was the day Christ rose from the dead. This event was powerful enough for a Jew to change from worshipping on the Sabath i.e. Saturday to Sunday.

A) Actually it’s not my burden, since for me, I don’t have to prove it from Scriptures and there’s nothing in the Scripture’s that denies them.

B) Please show where this change is outlined from the Scripture’s specifically? Or is it [gasp] tradition??

 

[KJK80]

One could also argue that the day on which to worship is simply not important enough to be a doctrine.

Is it specifically stated in Catholic doctrine that Sunday is the day of worship and why?

Absolutely

1166 "By a tradition handed down from the apostles which took its origin from the very day of Christ’s Resurrection, the Church celebrates the Paschal mystery every seventh day, which day is appropriately called the Lord’s Day or Sunday."36 The day of Christ’s Resurrection is both the first day of the week, the memorial of the first day of creation, and the “eighth day,” on which Christ after his “rest” on the great sabbath inaugurates the “day that the Lord has made,” the "day that knows no evening."37 The Lord’s Supper is its center, for there the whole community of the faithful encounters the risen Lord who invites them to his banquet:38

The Lord's day, the day of Resurrection, the day of Christians, is our day. It is called the Lord's day because on it the Lord rose victorious to the Father. If pagans call it the "day of the sun," we willingly agree, for today the light of the world is raised, today is revealed the sun of justice with healing in his rays.39

1167 Sunday is the pre-eminent day for the liturgical assembly, when the faithful gather “to listen to the word of God and take part in the Eucharist, thus calling to mind the Passion, Resurrection, and glory of the Lord Jesus, and giving thanks to God who ‘has begotten them again, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead’ unto a living hope”:40

When we ponder, O Christ, the marvels accomplished on this day, the Sunday of your holy resurrection, we say: "Blessed is Sunday, for on it began creation . . . the world's salvation . . . the renewal of the human race. . . . On Sunday heaven and earth rejoiced and the whole universe was filled with light. Blessed is Sunday, for on it were opened the gates of paradise so that Adam and all the exiles might enter it without fear.41

 

[justasking4]

KJK80;3487746]
Originally Posted by justasking4
Third since you are making the claim these doctrines are true you bear the burden to demonstrate that they with evidence from the scriptures.

This is true. The reason the church worships on Sunday is that this was the day Christ rose from the dead. This event was powerful enough for a Jew to change from worshipping on the Sabath i.e. Saturday to Sunday.

KJK80
A) Actually it’s not my burden, since for me, I don’t have to prove it from Scriptures and there’s nothing in the Scripture’s that denies them.

Romans 3:23 and 5:12 deny that Mary could have been without sin as does Luke 1:47 does.
With your kind of reasoning i could say also that Andrew was without sin and assumed into heaven since the Scripture doesn’t deny that it did happen for him. Would i be right in claiming that he was without sin and assumed into heaven?

KJK80
B) Please show where this change is outlined from the Scripture’s specifically? Or is it [gasp] tradition??

The scriptures don’t say that much about the specific day of worship. Paul makes reference in I Corinthians 16:2 about the collection to be done on the first day of every week to be made. This could be a reference of the time when Christians got together to worship.

 

[KJK80]

The scriptures don’t say that much about the specific day of worship. Paul makes reference in I Corinthians 16:2 about the collection to be done on the first day of every week to be made. This could be a reference of the time when Christians got together to worship.

So you could be worshiping on the entirely wrong day?? Really, since it’s not outlined Scripturally.

By what authority can anybody worship on Sunday?? Or does the idea even come from?

 

[KJK80]

Romans 3:23 and 5:12 deny that Mary could have been without sin as does Luke 1:47 does.
With your kind of reasoning i could say also that Andrew was without sin and assumed into heaven since the Scripture doesn’t deny that it did happen for him. Would i be right in claiming that he was without sin and assumed into heaven?

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

“All” here does not necessarily mean “all” as an absolute. Otherwise “all” would have died in the flood–and you and I would not be here having this discussion. It’s not outside of God’s realm to make it work, again, this does not refute the Marian doctrine.

Same for Romans 5:12

I’m confused as to what Luke 1:47 has to do with it.

 

[justasking4]

KJK80;3487786]
Originally Posted by justasking4
The scriptures don’t say that much about the specific day of worship. Paul makes reference in I Corinthians 16:2 about the collection to be done on the first day of every week to be made. This could be a reference of the time when Christians got together to worship.

KJK80
So you could be worshiping on the entirely wrong day?? Really, since it’s not outlined Scripturally.

Not really. If the resurrection (which is the most important even in history after creation) then a person would be well with in his grounds to worship om this day. Secondly the NT does not mandate a particular day in which worship must take place. Paul lays out this principle of worship in Romans 14:5-9 when he writes these words:

5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

By what authority can anybody worship on Sunday?? Or does the idea even come from?

Scripture. The day is not as important as the attitude is in worship.

 

[MrStain]

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

“All” here does not necessarily mean “all” as an absolute. Otherwise “all” would have died in the flood–and you and I would not be here having this discussion. It’s not outside of God’s realm to make it work, again, this does not refute the Marian doctrine.

Same for Romans 5:12

I’m confused as to what Luke 1:47 has to do with it.

You are correct, IMO. The old Roman Road I know all too well from my Baptist days. However, if you take that “all have sinned” concept to literally mean every person who ever lived then one would also have to believe that Jesus sinned as he was fully man. Also, if one is consistent in this interpretation regarding the word “all” then he/she must also believe that John the Baptist baptized every single person in “the land of Judea, and those from Jerusalem” after hearing everyone of their confessions. (Mk 1:5)

As to the Luke 1:47 comment, he is saying that Mary must have sinned because she is rejoicing in her savior. The non-Catholic interpretaion is that only sinners need a savior and therefore Mary is a sinner. It seems ok on the surface, but what is needed is a greater understanding of Catholic belief on the topic. Here is a good article from this site that covers this topic: <LINK>

 

[ALLFORHIM]

If your day of church worship is Sunday, please prove this based on the Bible alone (sola scriptura). Please state where the command is that replaced the seventh day Sabbath command.

Hi,
These were already mentioned( see Acts 20:7, & 1 Corinthians 16:2),
Acts 20:7
7On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2
2On (A)the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that (B)no collections be made when I come.

The first day of the week happens to be Sunday. I believe we are just simply following what the Apostle Paul did. If Paul started worship on Monday then that would be the day we would have worship services. Im not sure there is any deep theological reason behind it.

IMHO–I believe Paul started worship on Sunday because–1. That is the day the Lord arose and 2. He may have wanted to show the Jews that one day was not any holier then another.
3. It was the first day of the week and maybe there was some symbolism to giving first fruits–because they did collect money as well
Just my:twocents:

 

[justasking4]

KJK80;3487798]Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

“All” here does not necessarily mean “all” as an absolute. Otherwise “all” would have died in the flood–and you and I would not be here having this discussion. It’s not outside of God’s realm to make it work, again, this does not refute the Marian doctrine.

Same for Romans 5:12

Of course all means all. In the flood account “all” is a reference to all who were living at the time. All in the Roman passages is a reference to all of mankind.

I’m confused as to what Luke 1:47 has to do with it.

She acknowledges her Savior which is an acknowledgement of sin on her part.
And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

 

[MrStain]

Protestants can worship on any day they choose – based on their individual interpretation of Scripture. However, most will worship on the Lord’s Day, as that has been the traditional day of worship from the earliest times. One good & very early example of this is seen in the Didache as follows:

“On the Lord’s Day of the Lord come together, break bread and hold Eucharist, after confessing your transgressions that your offering may be pure;….”

The Sunday tradition was kept by most of our Protestant brothers & sisters, but the Eucharist, confession & other early Christian practices were cast aside.