Which is better for society: Capitalism or Communism?

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The Church condemns radical materialism: that’s laissez-faire (hands-off, no-holds barred capitalism, i.e., slave labor, child labor as in China); and socialism/communism (Karl Marx said there was no difference) where individual free will is nullified. As we are judged on works, there are no brownie points for state-sponsored charity that originated in involuntary taking, see? No free will. Jesus Christ taught that, even in a situation of slavery, one is to carry one’s burden further than demanded and this was to retain free will, man as a Child of God and not an animal.

Fascism is the unholy alliance of government and business versus the people. National Socialism, NAZI government, is still forced taking, still free-will busting socialism. American fascism blossomed with the exercise of eminent domain, condemning private property for business development. Democrats in the south were particularly eager to wipe out poor communities for tax-riches to be gained from ritzy sunbelt developments. The $78,000,000,000.00 bailout is fascist. “Right-wing” and “left-wing” is a false dichotomy. There’s God’s way or the highway.

John Paul II lamented the state of Catholic corporal works of mercy in relaying a shattering dream he had when visiting New York. He said he saw an old woman followed by a stray cat being turned away by priests standing in the doors of the great churches, with special mention of the Jesuits. The Church in America is squandering her brains and brawn when she could be marshalling her power to effect community involvement and networking instead of keeping up the appearance of godness by redecorating.

Charles Dickens’ family suffered through a stint in the poorhouse. Like Scrooge, our leaders ask, “Are there no workhouses?” Put 'em on welfare. That’s all we need. Get foodstamps. This creates a fatal disconnect within the Christian community by destroying a social feedback loop so that our ministers know what is going on and are accountable to the people who give. And it is not God’s will. Did Jesus tell the hungry to go begging to the Romans or did He feed them? Did He allow them to make Him the king of free food or liberate them by converting the Roman Empire? Let us be salt and light.

666 is the amount of the profane taxes levied against profane nations by Solomon. We are not to take from evil to do good, even in building God’s temple. Forced taking is evil, no matter how much false security it brings. Socially engineered “hurt-and-rescue” is a tactic to enslave mankind. The elect will not be fooled. Christian Care MediShare is a list that handles all medical expenses of enrollees by simply sending out need letters. This is a Christian solution that bypasses a bloated, enslaving government bureaucracy. Don’t forget, Hillary Clinton’s healthcare commendation included arrest of sick people who went to non-government approved doctors.

When identity theft and social unrest are socially engineered to reach intolerable proportions, we will be offered the slave mark so the economy can continue and man can live by bread alone. God says this is an unforgiveable offense against the Holy Spirit (and will cause a cancerous boil). As Tommy Thompson, VeriChip poobah, waited for Katrina to strike, he proudly took his implant to suggest that disaster can best be alleviated by RFID chips.

Just as marriage has been secularized–as in the days of Noah–so charitable works have been secularized with nary a whimper. Giving is one of the Big Three spiritual weapons: prayer; fasting; and almsgiving. This route to allay sin is slowly being forfeited. May we redouble our efforts to retain our free-will giving and actualize the full potential of Catholic resources in freely doing good, all for the honor and glory of God. The Creator would like cheerful givers forking over at least 10% for charitable works and Catholics are now giving 1-1.5% on average. Jesus paid His taxes and performed works of mercy, not either-or. Thanks, God, for giving us giving. The option is spiritual, psychological, social and economic suicide, God forbid.
 
Acts of the Apostles at Chapter 2 and verses 42, 44, and 45:
42 "And they continued stedfastly *in the apostles’ doctrine *and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things in common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. "
The theme is reiterated in Acts Chapter 4:32-37:
" 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: *neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. *33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. 36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. "
Christian socialism voluntarily entered into of their own free will. I don’t see this kind of structure among Christians today with their Charity giving at 1, 2 or 10% Not the same thing at all as in Acts !
 
Many Apologies Sarah-Anne to you and your husband. I confess to being a bit too touchy about things military having been raised by a regimental sergeant major in a flag waving environment.
I am not a Marxist, though the Capitalist system did provide Marx with the ammunition to attack it - much as it has today. I think Jesus got it about right when he observed you cannot serve God and money.
Well, mine is only a Staff Sergeant, and just recently…so he’s still pretty laid back…lol

Jesus was right about alot of things.
 
So if Jesus is right about things we don’t have a problem.

PS Sarah-Jane - after Hitler its the Corporals we gotta watch out for !
 
It’s hard for many to overcome the lure of Communism’s lofty idealism. We must remember three things about it: it’s anti-religion, inaccurate in its fundamental assessment of human nature, and guilty of horrendous mass murder in its implementation, worldwide. Give it up. *Lives are at stake here. *
 
I hope nobody lables Christian Socialists as Communist. That is a convenient slander by Social Conservatives. We are Catholics whose economic leanings are too to what is loosley termed the left because of Christ’s teachings and because of the way the early Christian communities organised themselves in Acts. To brand us as Communists is to break both the second great commandment and Jesus injunction that only ‘truth will set you free’. Christian Socialists are democratic; pacifist and convinced in the teachings of Christ and the New Testament.
 
Christian socialism
If you are forced to pay the government to take care of the poor, is it charity? Jesus said “if a man askes for your cloak, giv him your coat also” He does not say “Gve to the government where they can waste money with obscene administrative costs so that instead of cloak and coat, the poor get a thin, inadequate shirt”
 
Clearly the early Christians thought somewhat differently about social organisation and individual wealth.
Acts chapter 4, 32-35
  • 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. *
    To me this is socialism freely entered into where all in the community share in the collective wealth of that community. It has gone beyond charity into something qualitively deeper based totally on Christ’s second great commandment.
 
Clearly the early Christians thought somewhat differently about social organisation and individual wealth.
Acts chapter 4, 32-35
  • 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. *
    To me this is socialism freely entered into where all in the community share in the collective wealth of that community. It has gone beyond charity into something qualitively deeper based totally on Christ’s second great commandment.
True enough but this was not socialism enforced by a bloated government entity
 
liberal capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin-because they both hold that man’s ultimate happiness resides in material possessions.

communism goes wrong in maintaining that the government is most fit to run everything. this is against the catholic teaching of private ownership and that of allowing things to be managed at the smallest level. liberal capitalism is wrong when it allows the blind hand of the free market to run everything, as if it will always accomplish the common good. this is obviously wrong. look at our current situation.

probably the most catholic economic model would be a distributionist system or a very well regulated free market economy which holds to the natural law and operates on behalf of the family.
 
Okay - I’ll never agree with the social conservative model or its advocates. To me capitalism and Communism are too materialistic, and in differing ways, too exploitative. As for a Catholic view well Leo XIII’s model was the Coporative State outlined in the Encyclical Rerum Novarum 15 May 1891. which was an attempt to resolve the conflict between capital and labour. The only time this was ever tried out was by Benito Mussolini in the 1930s.
As for me I’m sticking with the early Christian model.
 
Dempsey1919;
as we both have free, national healthcare
LOL It aint free. And what did I read about a 45% tax rate overthere? Is that still gunna happen?
I tend to think that socialism is more in line with Catholic teaching, because these governments provide free healthcare to the poor, welfare to the unemployed, and welfare to the disabled. Socialist governments look after the workers by nationalising industries.
Sounds more like a babysitting service to me. And we have welfare here as well. 75% of Americans have some sort of health coverage right now in the US, as we did 50 years ago. Half our budget, 1.5 trillion dollars goes to retired people and welfare each years. Catholic teaching applies to the people, not the government.
In comparison, capitalism appears to be cold and callous. It enables the rich to exploit the poor. Within capitalism, the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer. Is this a fair assessment?
Nope. Not here. Granted, our population has grown, so the numbers may appear that way(I have no data on hand), but we are doing just fine percentage wise.(minus this economy)
I want my vote to help the poor, the weak, the old, and the vulnerable. I want to make Church social teaching become a reality. Should I be a capitalist or a communist?
Well, that depends. If you want the government to do all that, then you are a Communist. But of course, that is not all they will do, lol. They will make everyone equally miserable. Now, you can be an upstanding rugged individualist American, and do all the things you want to do, on your own, without government strong arm. But keep in mind, the poor will always be among us, so say Jesus. It is our job as individuals, as people, as free people, to help out the best was we, as individuals can.

“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

Also keep in mind, it is Capitalism that has propelled many, many people out from under the boot of poverty, not Communism. Communism, historically, has beat people down and removed their freedoms. Freedom is good because it give you the option to fail or succeed. Communism does not. And just a point, that system has killed 100 million people in less than 100 years.
Which is better for a society: Capitalism or Communism?
Capitalism, without a doubt.
 
Yeah, good site. That video, The Truth About Iraq, is nothing but a lie in itself. Posted by a Nun, no less. On that site, the only difference between a Catholic and a Liberal is, is abortion and gay marriage.

And on this site, this Nun is extatic to see Obama win, knowing full well that he supports the slaughter of babies.

May not be Communist, but definately Liberal.
 
Of course, I wasn’t questioning that 🙂 , I was referring to your statement that he likes to listen to NPR to hear what the “enemy” is saying…I took that to mean the enemy is the “left”.

I was just pointing out that the “right”, as represented by the current administration, was not the military man’s best friend. Their lack of support in terms of equipment, pay and veteran’s benefits is appalling to me. I come from a military family and it makes me a little angry to think about how our troops and veterans have been treated.
You have any data to back these assertions up? They got pay raises, they got equipment, so what is is?
 
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