Which is more important in Apocalypse?

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Which is more important in Apocalypse?

Which is more important: That Nero died and there was a rumor that he’d come back from the dead, that, presumably, at the end of the world, the antichrist will seem to die and then come back to life, or that many times in salvation history, God redeems a stage of darkness, the fallen nature, but the fallen nature comes back to life again in a subsequent stage? What am i talking about? See Apocalypse 13: “and I saw that one of the heads of the beast was mortally wound, and the wound was healed, and the whole world looked on in amazement.”

Which is more important: that china may have an army of 200 million and kill a thrid of the world literally, or that in the Enlightenment, the great myriads of myriads of merely natural religionists and then purely worldly intellectuals killed the supernatural faith and charity of practically a third of mankind?

Which is more important: that the ten divisions of barbarians surrounding pagan Rome brought the glorious kingdom to its ruin, or that in any stage of blasphemous material grandeur, the great evil kingdom falls by its disregard of the ten COMMANDMENTS?

Which is more important: that the Law and the Prophets appeared dead when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD, but were rescucitead in the New Covenant, that Elijah and Enoch shall come back to life at the end of the world and preach, or that The Oral and Written Word of God witnessed to the New Covenant truth for 2000 years, were then regarded dead in the current minor apostasy, but will be resurrected, vindicated and assumed into heaven through first the coming Minor Chastisement, and then the subsequent reunion of Christians and the Renewal of the Gentiles in the Age of Peace? See also, Apocalypse 11, and put another way, which of the three events above will be the greatest spiritual victory among them in human history?

Apocalypse 17:9-11:
Which is more important: that five Roman Emperors had died before St John saw the Apocalypse, that one then reigned as he wrote, and that two more coming; that seven or eight evil men will arise at the end of the world; or that five ages of sin necessarily precede the First Coming of Christ, that one age exists when the last apostle writes the last Revelation of God, and that two more ages of sin shall follow, then the end of the world, and the reason behind these great ages?
 
Why does one have to be more important than the other? Both are pertinent and important to understand in our current climate.
 
bmullins said:
Why does one have to be more important than the other? Both are pertinent and important to understand in our current climate.
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Wisdom is the capacity to discern between the degrees of importance to things.
 
Is it more important to know that six ages transpired for God to CREate the universe, and that He presumably sat back on the couch with brewsky and watched the game in the seventh age, or is it more important to know that God shall REcreate the world, that is, REmake or REDEEM it, in six great ages, that His grace will rest on earth for a great spiritual sabbath, and that in the eighth age, the World will be Resurrected to the New Eternal Creation as Christ was forever resurrected on the eight day?

Which is more important? That the world was made in six literal days, or that in each of the aforementioned eight great ages, the first part is a spiritual darkness, or evening, followed by a second part of spiritual light, or morning?
 
Which is more important? To know that what Jesus multiplied PHYSICALLY was five literal loaves and two fish, or that Christ instituted seven great physical rituals to feed us SPIRITUALLY, which are innumerably multiplied by every priest or bishop in the world, and that of these seven, when heretics break our communion, they have only two of them, losing the five that require the Episcopate and Tradition?

Which is more important: to know that literal fish come from the sea, a place of PHYSICAL chaos, or that the two forms of spiritual nourishment that heretics retain are appropriately caught by them in a SPIRITUAL ocean of DOCTRINAL chaos?

Which is more important? To know that literal loaves require barely, which requires the literal earth to be grown in, a level foundation for a house, or that five sacraments require a level foundation or ground of Tradition and Apostolic Succession, the foundation of the Spiritual House of the God, the Church?

That, for that matter, Jesus multiplied, on another occasion, seven LITERAL loaves and a “few fish”, or that those in schism retain the level ground of Apostolic Succession and Tradition, and so have all seven sacraments, but that they are a little doctrinally confused because they lack the immovable SPIRITUAL Rock, PETER?
 
It’s more important to believe in the Creed, and to be a good Catholic.

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spauline said:
sorry, I am already assuming that
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Then its not important to know the things you are asking about.
A Catholic could go their whole life without having even read Revelations and it would have no impact on their faith or salvation.
 
To me, I think it’s more important that Revelation gives us a glimpse into the liturgy in Heaven. The angels and saints with our prayers in their hands coming before the altar, the Lamb standing as slain before administering the sacrifice. The martyrs crying out below the altar. All of which develops our faith. I used to read Revelation with much fear and trembling, now I read it in awe as I see it for an actual look at how worship is in Heaven, and it draws me closer to the liturgy here on earth. It reminds me that each time I am at Mass, I am for a moment transported into Heaven.
 
I don’t read Revelation with terror either.

But if you know God better, you can love Him more, which increases chances of salvation.

And this entirely misses the point. I am simply asking of these things, which is more important, because it is a question of wisdom.

None of you have really addressed it. You seem to be saying, wisdom is irrelevant to salvation. It is NOT irrelevant. Else, why do we have Proverbs and Wisdom as Scripture books?

I am not saying Revelation is necessary for salvation. Agreeably, not. But increasing wisdom assists in salvation, only in that, while admittedly not being grace itself, nevertheless, when COUPLED with grace, one understands God more, and can hence, LOVE God more!
 
You are obviously a “Lord of the Rings” trilogy fan because what you say is saving. The real hero of that very Catholic story is Sam not Frodo.

The lesson of the Trilogy was to illustrate how hard it to let go of our vicses. Can you throw your ring into the Fire?
 
spauline said:
I don’t read Revelation with terror either.

But if you know God better, you can love Him more, which increases chances of salvation.

And this entirely misses the point. I am simply asking of these things, which is more important, because it is a question of wisdom.

None of you have really addressed it. You seem to be saying, wisdom is irrelevant to salvation. It is NOT irrelevant. Else, why do we have Proverbs and Wisdom as Scripture books?

I am not saying Revelation is necessary for salvation. Agreeably, not. But increasing wisdom assists in salvation, only in that, while admittedly not being grace itself, nevertheless, when COUPLED with grace, one understands God more, and can hence, LOVE God more!
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I’m sorry, but half your questions don’t make sense. And the other half are totally irrelevant to the Christian life.
 
rdscheirer said:
You are obviously a “Lord of the Rings” trilogy fan because what you say is saving. The real hero of that very Catholic story is Sam not Frodo.

The lesson of the Trilogy was to illustrate how hard it to let go of our vicses. Can you throw your ring into the Fire?
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I am sorry, you are saying I have vices because I want a deeper understanding of Salvation history through Scripture allegory and analogies?
 
Everyone has vices that are against what God wants- we are all not without sin- I am just saying that the LOFTR triology written by a devout Catholic shows that it is very hard for us to cast our vices or sins into the fire to get rid of them.
 
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