Which is the oldest Christian religion?

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I know the Catholics and the Orthodox once were all one church until the split

We had Peter and Paul in Rome, and Peter was Pope and I would say next in the line of importance was St Paul

I am not starting this to bash the Orthodox, just to get an answer…Some of the Orthodox, I think, are in communion with Rome
 
Is this a trick question? I’d say the Catholic church–the one that Christ founded.

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No it is not a trick question A friend of mine has a grandson who is an Orthodox and he claims it is

Rome was sort of a back water compared to Constantinople which was a thriving Christian community of nearly 1 million people

I know that the schism was made definitive in 1054 , and there was a split
 
The Orthodox Catholic Church and the Roman Catholic Church were one till the split. So the Catholic Church is the oldest Christian Religion, since it was established by Christ himself.
Some of the Orthodox, I think, are in communion with Rome
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Yes, I believe some are as well. Couldnt tell you for sure which though.
 
Jacob21 said:
The Orthodox Catholic Church and the Roman Catholic Church were one till the split. So the Catholic Church is the oldest Christian Religion, since it was established by Christ himself.

Yes, I believe some are as well. Couldnt tell you for sure which though.
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Thank you this is what I think too…Constantinople might be older than Rome as a thriving center of the Christian faith but we had Peter and Paul
 
redrosetea said:
I know the Catholics and the Orthodox once were all one church until the split

We had Peter and Paul in Rome, and Peter was Pope and I would say next in the line of importance was St Paul

I am not starting this to bash the Orthodox, just to get an answer…Some of the Orthodox, I think, are in communion with Rome
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Well, the Orthodox would claim that Rome split from them when the Pope got too power hungry. The Catholic Church would claim that Constantinople split when their Patriarch got too power hungry. So it depends on who you ask…
 
Well, the Orthodox would claim that Rome split from them when the Pope got too power hungry. The Catholic Church would claim that Constantinople split when their Patriarch got too power hungry. So it depends on who you ask…
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You say tomato, I say “tamato.” :rolleyes:
Jacob 🙂
 
Catholic and Orthodox once were united but they split in the 4th century because I think after Constantine a pagan emperor appointed an Arian Christian as head patriarch in the west so the churches in the west split. Arianism was a heresy which denied Christ’s divinity.
 
Zlatan said:
Catholic and Orthodox once were united but they split in the 4th century because I think after Constantine a pagan emperor appointed an Arian Christian as head patriarch in the west so the churches in the west split. Arianism was a heresy which denied Christ’s divinity.
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ummm…no
 
redrosetea said:
No it is not a trick question A friend of mine has a grandson who is an Orthodox and he claims it is

Rome was sort of a back water compared to Constantinople which was a thriving Christian community of nearly 1 million people

I know that the schism was made definitive in 1054 , and there was a split
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At the time of the Schism in 1054, the East did have a larger population then the West (not that overwhelming though). But, Constantinople wasn’t a Patriarchate until the 5th Century. The Canons of the First Ecumenical Council of Constantinople (381) dictated that Constantinople was to be second after Rome, but this wasn’t accepted until at least the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon (451).

The Church in Constantinople is claimed to have been founded by Saint Andrew (it was called Byzantium then).

The Church originated in Jerusalem, and then spread to Antioch, Alexandria, Asia Minor, and Rome. The hierarchy of the Patriarchs for the first millennium was Rome, Constantinople (after ~5th century), Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem.

Aside from heresies, such as Gnosticism, Docetism, Marcionism, Arianism, etc. - and temporary Schisms, the first “permanent” Schism occurred with the Council of Ephesus and the rejection of it by the Assyrian Church of the East. This was shortly followed by rejection of the Council of Chalcedon by the Coptic Church, Armenian Church, Syriac Church, etc. Both of these were mainly due to miscommunication and errors in translation and show promise today of being healed.

The Great Schism of 1054 between the Church of Rome and the Church of Constantinople would take too much space to comment fully on. It was caused by a combination of miscommunication, politics and nationalistic/ethnic pride.
 
redrosetea said:
I know the Catholics and the Orthodox once were all one church until the split

We had Peter and Paul in Rome, and Peter was Pope and I would say next in the line of importance was St Paul

I am not starting this to bash the Orthodox, just to get an answer…Some of the Orthodox, I think, are in communion with Rome
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Oldest Christian religion = Catholic, which includes two main branches, “Roman/Eastern” and “Orthodox”.

Since we all come from what was once the same community started by Jesus, to ask “which is the oldest Christian religion” would seem to me to imply that one of them no longer is Christian or else, why ask?

Maybe I am misreading something.
 
Oldest Christian religion = Catholic, which includes two main branches, “Roman/Eastern” and “Orthodox”.
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I believe that sums it up in one sentence, unless I am misreading something as well.
 
redrosetea said:
Thank you this is what I think too…Constantinople might be older than Rome as a thriving center of the Christian faith but we had Peter and Paul
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Well, Constantinople was founded by Constantine, who decided to split the Roman Empire into East and West. He founded Constantinople as the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire and took control of that empire while establishing another emperor to take control from the West in Rome. The dividing of the Roman Empire was probably the first step that led to the Great Schism.

The two empires then started having two different cultures. They had two different ways of worshiping. There were basically two different forms of Christianity, however, all of Christianity was still in communication with the pope in Rome.

From what I learned, sometime the Byzantine emperor (this was well after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, from then on the Eastern Roman Empire was simply called the Byzantine Empire) banished the use of sculptures of saints, angels, Jesus, Mary, etc. The pope (who still ruled from Rome after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire) condemned that and excommunicated the Byzantine emperor (who was also the Bishop of Constantinople). The people in the East didn’t see that the pope had the power to do this, so they left the Catholic Church and formed the Orthodox church. If you ask an Orthodox, you’ll get a different answer that would result in the Catholic Church leaving the Orthodox church.
 
TheDoctor said:
Oldest Christian religion = Catholic, which includes two main branches, “Roman/Eastern” and “Orthodox”.

Since we all come from what was once the same community started by Jesus, to ask “which is the oldest Christian religion” would seem to me to imply that one of them no longer is Christian or else, why ask?

Maybe I am misreading something.
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You certainly are perhaps you should read more of a thread before you reply
 
redrosetea said:
You certainly are perhaps you should read more of a thread before you reply
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I read everything in the thread up to the point I replied. I have read everything since. I still don’t see your point. Can you please elaborate?
 
redrosetea said:
I know the Catholics and the Orthodox once were all one church until the split

We had Peter and Paul in Rome, and Peter was Pope and I would say next in the line of importance was St Paul

I am not starting this to bash the Orthodox, just to get an answer…Some of the Orthodox, I think, are in communion with Rome
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Well… to be honest… since 1439 Catholicism and Orthodoxy have been the same religion. They were the same before and have never parted ways. I would guarantee 99 times of out 100, there’s more intranecine disagreement among Catholics over petty issues like the word ‘brethen’ versus the grammatically stiffling ‘brothers and sisters’ than there is in general theological discussion across the family dinner table of Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
 
TheDoctor said:
I read everything in the thread up to the point I replied. I have read everything since. I still don’t see your point. Can you please elaborate?
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I asked a question, that was all that I did, because a friend wanted an opinion
 
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