Which is which?

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I’m still a very new newbie, at the ‘silly questions’ stage, so please excuse me if this has been well-covered elsewhere. I did use the search function, but couldn’t find precisely what I’m looking for.

My question is: how do I know which Mass is which? I see the initials OF and EF and TLM and…well, I know there are others but I can’t remember them offhand.

My church does a sung Latin mass on Sunday - the mass I attend - but I don’t know which of these it is. How could I tell? What differentiates one from the other?

Once again, sorry if this is a ridiculous question… consider me 😊 if so.
 
I’m still a very new newbie, at the ‘silly questions’ stage, so please excuse me if this has been well-covered elsewhere. I did use the search function, but couldn’t find precisely what I’m looking for.

My question is: how do I know which Mass is which? I see the initials OF and EF and TLM and…well, I know there are others but I can’t remember them offhand.

My church does a sung Latin mass on Sunday - the mass I attend - but I don’t know which of these it is. How could I tell? What differentiates one from the other?

Once again, sorry if this is a ridiculous question… consider me 😊 if so.
There are many interesting differences betwen the OF and the EF/TLM. You can keep exploring the forum to learn about those differences.

(However to find the answer to your question quickly, check the bulletin or ask the priest or someone else.)

OF is the same as Novus Ordo, Ordinary Form, New Mass. Even when done in Latin, parts can be done in English. Most of the time the priest usually faces the people (though he need not and IMHO should not for most of the time).

In the EF (also Traditional Latin Mass / Extraordinary Form) the priest must do everything in Latin except readings and homily. There are silent prayers before Mass, there is a lot of silence during the Canon (Eucharistic Prayer). Communion is always received kneeling and on the tongue, hopefully at an altar rail. The priest faces God in the Tabernacle for most of Mass.

I hope that helps.
 
I’m so glad you asked.

We only have a modern Mass and a Spanish modern Mass. The abbreviations and Latin labels go flying through posts and they leave me wondering 🤷 “What are they talking about?”
 
The foolproof difference is that EF/TLM has prayer at the foot of the altar at the beginning, in OF the priest immediatelly approaches the altar.

Outside of that the priest can say the Ordinary Form on that way that from the pew it is very similar to the EF/TLM, especially the 1967 version of that (The Motu Proprio defined the Missal, and did not excluded the versions using that missal)

The Offertory part is significantly different but usually silent in both forms, and if the priest faces the altar in EF/TLM his postures/motions are the same.

This is the theory and rare reality. In most OF masses
  • the priest enters the altar from the front door in a process
  • the priest faces the people while celebrating the Mass
  • he reads aloud all parts of the mass either in vernacular or Latin
  • there is a prayer of faithful before the Offertory
  • there is a process where people bring the bread and wine to the priest
  • there is rite of peace before the Agnus Dei
  • people receive the communion standing onto their hands
I’m still a very new newbie, at the ‘silly questions’ stage, so please excuse me if this has been well-covered elsewhere. I did use the search function, but couldn’t find precisely what I’m looking for.

My question is: how do I know which Mass is which? I see the initials OF and EF and TLM and…well, I know there are others but I can’t remember them offhand.

My church does a sung Latin mass on Sunday - the mass I attend - but I don’t know which of these it is. How could I tell? What differentiates one from the other?

Once again, sorry if this is a ridiculous question… consider me 😊 if so.
 
Ah, thanks for that. That has clarified things! It sounds like they do OF Latin Mass.

Thanks for everybody’s time and help 🙂
 
I’m still a very new newbie, at the ‘silly questions’ stage, so please excuse me if this has been well-covered elsewhere. I did use the search function, but couldn’t find precisely what I’m looking for.

My question is: how do I know which Mass is which? I see the initials OF and EF and TLM and…well, I know there are others but I can’t remember them offhand.

My church does a sung Latin mass on Sunday - the mass I attend - but I don’t know which of these it is. How could I tell? What differentiates one from the other?

Once again, sorry if this is a ridiculous question… consider me 😊 if so.
If you are at a Catholic Church, it’s a Catholic Mass.
 
If you are at a Catholic Church, it’s a Catholic Mass.
True; but its nice to know which form you are celebrating. Some of us have preferences, although I attend both forms. My “preference” is the EF.
 
Yes, this! Which is why I asked; the question was asked out of genuine curiosity, not out of any attempt to be divisive.
 
=BlytheSky;7392518]I’m still a very new newbie, at the ‘silly questions’ stage, so please excuse me if this has been well-covered elsewhere. I did use the search function, but couldn’t find precisely what I’m looking for.
My question is: how do I know which Mass is which? I see the initials OF and EF and TLM and…well, I know there are others but I can’t remember them offhand.
My church does a sung Latin mass on Sunday - the mass I attend - but I don’t know which of these it is. How could I tell? What differentiates one from the other?
Once again, sorry if this is a ridiculous question… consider me 😊 if so.
Welcome Home dear friend, NO NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ASKING QUESTIONS, that is why MANY of are here.

“OF” = Ordinary Form of the Sacred Mass [Liturgy] and is a by-product of Vatican II
“EF” = Extrodinary Form, which in the language of the CC means ONLY “no longer the usual /normal form.” It refers specifically to the the Hundreds of years old **Latin **Mass.

[edited] BOTH are acceptable in fulfilling ones Mass Obligations.

God Bless,
Pat
 
“OF” = Ordinary Form of the Sacred Mass [Liturgy] and is a by-product of Vatican II
It is not a by-product of Vatican II, no more than the Mass of Pius V was a by-product of Trent.
 
It is not a by-product of Vatican II, no more than the Mass of Pius V was a by-product of Trent.
That’s actually not true. The Consilium formed by Pope Paul VI created the Novus Ordo.

The Council of Trent merely codified a liturgy that can be traced back to St. Gregory the Great.
 
=Vince1022;7403357]It is not a by-product of Vatican II, no more than the Mass of Pius V was a by-product of Trent.
Hi Vince,

If not a by product of Vatican II’s [SPIRIT] then what? I seem to recall from reading the Documents [Concicular and non-Concicular] of Vatican II, that some changes were called for.

Certainly replacing the many hundreds of years TRADITION of the Latin Mass, was not just coincedince?

You seem well informed and I’m always anxious to learn what I ought to know:)

God’s continued Blessings,
Pat
 
Hi Vince,

If not a by product of Vatican II’s [SPIRIT] then what? I seem to recall from reading the Documents [Concicular and non-Concicular] of Vatican II, that some changes were called for.

Certainly replacing the many hundreds of years TRADITION of the Latin Mass, was not just coincedince?

You seem well informed and I’m always anxious to learn what I ought to know:)

God’s continued Blessings,
Pat
As I said, it’s no more a by-product than the Mass of Pius V was following the Council of Trent. Following the Council of Trent, when later the revision to the Mass was promulgated, just like following Vatican II this authoritative teaching of the Church changed things that had existed for centuries, and beyond Vatican II explicitly denied the further practice of certain liturgical forms that may have existed for centuries.

Neither were coincidence, neither were by-products. Both (meaning, liturgical reforms following Trent and Vatican II) were authentic teachings of the Magisterium.
 
I’m still a very new newbie, at the ‘silly questions’ stage, so please excuse me if this has been well-covered elsewhere. I did use the search function, but couldn’t find precisely what I’m looking for.

My question is: how do I know which Mass is which? I see the initials OF and EF and TLM and…well, I know there are others but I can’t remember them offhand.

My church does a sung Latin mass on Sunday - the mass I attend - but I don’t know which of these it is. How could I tell? What differentiates one from the other?

Once again, sorry if this is a ridiculous question… consider me 😊 if so.
By no means ridiculous, save to the hard hearted.

Here are the terms and missals commonly used in the Roman Church in the United States

EF: Extraordinary Form [of the Roman Mass]
TLM: Traditional Latin Mass - same thing as the EF.
either of these can be the High Mass, Sung Mass, or Low Mass
Always in latin. Priest almost always faces away from the people. Priest will usually have on a maniple (The stole-like vestment on the left arm.)
High mass: 6 candles, priest chants
Sung mass: Priest chants
Low Mass: everyone kneels until the gospel, priest speaks.
Pontifical Mass: mass said by a bishop with priests present. lots of differences.
Dialogue Mass: people respond along with the servers. May be Low, Sung, or High.

OF: Ordinary Form [of the Roman Mass]
Pauline Mass
The missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI, and revised by Pope John Paul II. Might be in latin or in the vernacular, or in a commonly used secondary language for the local area. Priest may face the people.

Dominican Mass: The mass according to the Dominican Missal.
Part of Roman Tradition, but essentially unchanged since the 1200’s except for the calendar. Only said by Dominican Priest-Friars. Latin, can be mistaken for the EF mass, can be high, sung, or low. The chalice will be filled and veiled before mass, the priest having said the prayers of offering over the bread and wine before hand.

Anglican Use Missal
BODW: Book of Divine Worship

a special missal used by priests who converted from being Anglicans. Looks like an EF mass done in English, and possibly with the priest facing the people.

There are also Eastern Catholic Churches in the US. The Eastern Catholics look like the various Orthodox Churches, but are in full communion with Rome. If it says Catholic, but looks Orthodox, odds are it’s Eastern Catholic. despite having different bishops, they are still united to the Church and the Pope.
DL: Divine Liturgy
Badarak
Qorbono
Qurbana

The various liturgies of the Eastern Churches which are equivalent to the Roman mass. Yes, you can fulfill your Sunday or Holy Day obligation at one. The holy days might not match up, tho’. (Still fulfills the obligation, even if they don’t have the same readings.)

Divine Liturgy is for Byzantine (Melkite, Ruthenian, Ukrainian, Romanian, and Russian Catholic parishes) and Coptic parishes. The bishop commemorated will be different from the local roman parishes, and will be a different flow, and be sung. You’ll have a hard time missing the icon screen. and different vestments are used from the Roman.

Badarak is the name for the Armenian service. It’s also referred to in English as a Mass. Vestments are different. Again, the bishop commemorated will be different.

Qorbono and Qurbana, both also called Masses, are the terms used by the Chaldean, Syrian, Syro-Malabar, Maronite, and Syro-Malankar Catholics. Vestments may or may not be notably different, but the flow of mass wil be different. Also, again, the bishop commemorated will be different from the local Roman Bishop.
 
=Vince1022;7406253]As I said, it’s no more a by-product than the Mass of Pius V was following the Council of Trent. Following the Council of Trent, when later the revision to the Mass was promulgated, just like following Vatican II this authoritative teaching of the Church changed things that had existed for centuries, and beyond Vatican II explicitly denied the further practice of certain liturgical forms that may have existed for centuries.Neither were coincidence, neither were by-products. Both (meaning, liturgical reforms following Trent and Vatican II) were authentic teachings of the Magisterium.
Hi Vince, what for example was forbidden by Vatican II?

And where in the documents of Vatican II dos one find specific direction and authorization for:

Removal of Altar Rails?

Removal of Tabernacles?

Faces Populum [Facing forward]?

Use of Altar girls

Communion under BOTH species everyday-nearly everywhere?

“Ordinary” [no-longer Extrodianry] lay ministers of the Eucharist?

The complete elimination of Latin in the Sacred Liturgy?

God’s continued Blessings my friend!
Pat
 
Hi Vince, what for example was forbidden by Vatican II?

And where in the documents of Vatican II dos one find specific direction and authorization for:

Removal of Altar Rails?

Removal of Tabernacles?

Faces Populum [Facing forward]?

Use of Altar girls

Communion under BOTH species everyday-nearly everywhere?

“Ordinary” [no-longer Extrodianry] lay ministers of the Eucharist?

The complete elimination of Latin in the Sacred Liturgy?

God’s continued Blessings my friend!
Pat
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