Which kind of rite use the Anglican church?

[SteveLy]

Thanks. Yes, some interest in it. More deeply interested on my way to the Tiber than after crossing it.

I hadn’t seen the information from the Orthodox view of Anglican Orders before. Thanks for listing it.

 

[SteveLy]

And so, with further research I came across a few documents published by the Vatican regarding Anglican Orders. Following Vatican II, Pope Paul VI set up the first Anglican/Roman Catholic International Commission, consisting of Bishops and Scholars from both Churches and done at at the request of the Pope and Archbishop of Canterbury. It published a document in 1973 which outlined areas of commonality and areas of divergence. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...ion_service/pdf/information_service_23_en.pdf (See pages 16-19)

What I found more interesting was a second document used to clarify certain points of discussion. As always, depending on how it is read, one can find support for their point of view. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...hrstuni_doc_1979_ministry-elucidation_en.html

What is of note to our discussion is:

1. There has been since New Testament times a three fold ministry of Bishop, Priest and Deacon.
2. That the Episcopacy (Office of Bishop) is the result of Apostolic Succession and authority of the other two stem from the Bishop.
3. That both Anglicans and Catholics have retained the three fold ministry.

"The threefold ministry remained universal until the divisions of Western Christianity in the sixteenth century. However, both our communions have retained it.

We both maintain that episcope must be exercised by ministers ordained in the apostolic succession (cf. para. 16). Both our communions have retained and remained faithful to the threefold ministry centered on episcopacy as the form in which this episcope is to be exercised. Because our task was limited to examining relations between our two communions, we did not enter into the question whether there is any other form in which this episcope can be realized."

The commission, while stating this does not change doctrine, calls on the leaders of both Churches to revisit 1896’s Apostilca Curea.

As I mentioned in prior posts, this document reflects the Anglican new practice of laying hands on women and reciting ordination prayers as a grave doctrinal obstacle. That female ordination was the main obstacle to reunion was been confirmed by the German Cardinal Walter Kasper in an address to the 2008 Lambeth Conference. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p..._chrstuni_doc_20080730_kasper-lambeth_en.html

 

[FrDavid96]

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What is of note to our discussion is:
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3. That both Anglicans and Catholics have retained the three fold ministry.

"The threefold ministry remained universal until the divisions of Western Christianity in the sixteenth century. However, both our communions have retained it.

We both maintain that episcope must be exercised by ministers ordained in the apostolic succession (cf. para. 16). Both our communions have retained and remained faithful to the threefold ministry centered on episcopacy as the form in which this episcope is to be exercised. …

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Those quotes are not the Catholic Church saying that Anglicans have retained Apostolic Succession.

Anglicans have retained the FORM of 3-fold ministry. In other words, they continue to have (what they call) bishops, priests, and deacons in roles essentially the same as Catholics. What the commission does not say (and admits is beyond its own authority to decide) is that Anglicans have retained valid Apostolic Succession—instead, they have maintained the appearance of it. Nothing more.