Which makes more sense, Christianity or Islam?

[RanTan]

Some questions please if somebody would be great enough to answer and clear my mind…
1- why was Jesus’ death only option for forgiveness/ salvation??;; why not just forgive men by himself in the power of God Himself??? Or ask his father for some cutsy??? Why making history by death only???

 

[RanTan]

2- Jesus was created being presented to mankind as SON…can God be created??? Wat odds suggest he was A creation as well as God??? God is to create, so how could someone be creationist as well as a creation himself???
I know there is no evidence in books that he Ever claimed creating like God but I have never read he ever claimed he was sharing even the word GOD with THE ALMIGHTY GOD, "The Father’’.

 

[RanTan]

3- God is known,in any religion, through some qualities like creation, showering rain, providing food to people, killing etc . Wat did Jesus have among God’ s qualities less salvation or rendering salvation and promise to return infatuated far in the future???
Was he just the heir to the title of God as his son or he really was like powerful God??? Please give reference.

 

[RanTan]

4- there is only 1 Quran is with no/never EDITION marking while each bible has editions???;; why ???holy script is not subject to edition then new editions of bible may imply its not word of God, a more sense making shift towards Quran and Obviously Islam.

 

[RanTan]

5- Muslims claim bible is not in its original wording ap the word of God is lost after Jesus.gospel of bernabas is thought by Muslims to be nearest to original bible . Why do Christians not quote/read/ accept this particular gospel???

 

[oldcatholicguy]

About battle of trench, i tried to find ref but efforts went in vein.
Plz give reference of murder of jews?

Google “Battle of the Trench”

 

[oldcatholicguy]

4- there is only 1 Quran is with no/never EDITION marking while each bible has editions???;; why ???holy script is not subject to edition then new editions of bible may imply its not word of God, a more sense making shift towards Quran and Obviously Islam.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the current version of the Quran start out as one of seven different versions?

 

[dronald]

Some questions please if somebody would be great enough to answer and clear my mind…
1- why was Jesus’ death only option for forgiveness/ salvation??;; why not just forgive men by himself in the power of God Himself??? Or ask his father for some cutsy??? Why making history by death only???

I would recommend that you read how long sacrificing for ones sins goes back. You’ll find it’s a very ancient tradition within Monotheism. However, animal sacrifice can never cover an entire multitude of sins. The ultimate sacrifice is a perfect man who gave up His life for us. God always commanded his followers to sacrifice and yet He would explain that animal sacrifice is not His desire.

2- Jesus was created being presented to mankind as SON…can God be created??? Wat odds suggest he was A creation as well as God??? God is to create, so how could someone be creationist as well as a creation himself???
I know there is no evidence in books that he Ever claimed creating like God but I have never read he ever claimed he was sharing even the word GOD with THE ALMIGHTY GOD, "The Father’’.

You’re arguing from a standpoint that says Jesus was created. Jesus was not created in Christianity. If you’re going to argue against Christian beliefs you should at least know what Christians believe first, then argue.

3- God is known,in any religion, through some qualities like creation, showering rain, providing food to people, killing etc . Wat did Jesus have among God’ s qualities less salvation or rendering salvation and promise to return infatuated far in the future???
Was he just the heir to the title of God as his son or he really was like powerful God??? Please give reference.

I have no issue giving you references to Jesus claiming to be God and obvious facts that make Jesus God if you admit that the Bible is not corrupt. If however you deny the Bible’s validity then we’re wasting each other’s time.

4- there is only 1 Quran is with no/never EDITION marking while each bible has editions???;; why ???holy script is not subject to edition then new editions of bible may imply its not word of God, a more sense making shift towards Quran and Obviously Islam.

Can you imagine if “The Gospel of Matthew” was the only book in the Bible, it was 5x longer and all the other books were destroyed? Would you believe in a Religion that burns all the evidence besides that of one book? There were many Qur’ans, but the ones Uthman didn’t like were thrown into a fire and lost forever.

5- Muslims claim bible is not in its original wording ap the word of God is lost after Jesus.gospel of bernabas is thought by Muslims to be nearest to original bible . Why do Christians not quote/read/ accept this particular gospel???

Muslims don’t actually believe this. They admit it is a forgery and was probably written around the year 1500. It also makes the claim that Jesus is not the Messiah but rather Muhammad is the Messiah. This is wrong in both of our Religions.

However, several uneducated Muslims have been spreading this for some reason. It only makes them look bad. Trust me, there are plenty of decent arguments Muslims make against Christianity and this is the most pathetic one.

 

[Skadi]

How is this logical? Allah decevied people to think that Jesus was crucified and knowingly created a religion that is much bigger than “his” and has much more conversion every year. Why would Allah do that?

Also i would like to aks muslims, how is it that God at first “created” “false” Christianity and then after He “created” it, more than 500 years later when alot of people were already “decevied” and long dead, He decided to correct the then time Christians, and send a prophet outside of the most populated Christian areas(Europe, North Africa,…), to Arabia, were most people were polytheist , so Muhammad could correct nobody except for polytheists and start a tyrannical Islamic empire, which conquered most of middle east and North Africa and “His” new religion mostly stayed in that parts till now, while Christianity expanded basically everywere except for Islamic parts where 85% of muslims are? And “the muslim world” probably comprises about 15-16%, 20% at best of the world by land. While Christian world comprises for around 55-60% % probably if not more.

Also why did muslims lose the “big” battles against Christians when they were fighting for Europe. Why didn’t God give them the strenght so they could conquer Europe and become a dominant religion of the world?

Most muslims ive met dont seem to believe Jesus founded Christianity, but that his followers elevated him to the status of a god after someone took his place on the cross.

Also, using military victories as a way to measure a religion is ridiculous. By the same token one could ask why Christianity lost the battles to control the middle east, north africa, the balkans, and spain? even with the reconquesta and the collapse of the Ottoman empire the traditional cradle of Christianity in the near east is predominately muslim.

Trying to say “My god is real and yours isnt because people of my religion have managed to defeat people of yours o several occasions” is just absurd.

 

[MartinJordan]

Most muslims ive met dont seem to believe Jesus founded Christianity, but that his followers elevated him to the status of a god after someone took his place on the cross.

Yep. Thus this is what is absurd.

Where are these so called early Muslims that “knew” this from the time of the crucifixion?

MJ

 

[Skadi]

Yep. Thus this is what is absurd.

Where are these so called early Muslims that “knew” this from the time of the crucifixion?

MJ

Its not a first hand account, its an explanation for how Jesus could be seen after the crucifixion if he was not divine.

 

[MartinJordan]

Its not a first hand account, its an explanation for how Jesus could be seen after the crucifixion if he was not divine.

What do you mean? Explain yourself. Thanks in advance.

MJ

 

[Skadi]

What do you mean? Explain yourself. Thanks in advance.

MJ

There were no Muslims at the crucifixion, but Jesus rising from the dead cannot be true according to Islam. So, if you are a loyal Muslim how would you make sense of all these claims that Jesus rose from the dead? Well, one possibility is that someone died for Jesus and then he made some appearances afterwards. The Muslims dont know this for sure, but it makes sense within their worldview.

 

[MartinJordan]

There were no Muslims at the crucifixion, but Jesus rising from the dead cannot be true according to Islam. So, if you are a loyal Muslim how would you make sense of all these claims that Jesus rose from the dead? Well, one possibility is that someone died for Jesus and then he made some appearances afterwards. The Muslims dont know this for sure, but it makes sense within their worldview.

Thanks. Funny that Muslims say that Jesus was a Muslim.

MJ

 

[dronald]

Thanks. Funny that Muslims say that Jesus was a Muslim.

MJ

Well, not just Jesus but all Prophets in Islam. Also Jesus’s Disciples (no historical evidence)

Surah 3:52 but when Jesus felt persistence in disbelief from them he said, “who are my supporters for the cause of Allah?” The disciples said, "we are supporters for Allah. We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims.

Surah 5:111 And remember when I inspired to the disciples, “believe in me and my messenger Jesus.” They said, “we have believed, so bear witness that indeed we are Muslims.”

Surah 61:14 O you who have believed, be supporters of Allah, as when Jesus, the son of Mary said to the disciples, “Who are my supporters for Allah?” The disciples said, “We are supporters of Allah.” And a faction of the children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So we supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant

Note here in the last Surah that the “Disciples became dominant.” Yet the ones who became dominant were Christians… it hurts my brain.

 

[MartinJordan]

Well, not just Jesus but all Prophets in Islam. Also Jesus’s Disciples (no historical evidence)

Surah 3:52 but when Jesus felt persistence in disbelief from them he said, “who are my supporters for the cause of Allah?” The disciples said, "we are supporters for Allah. We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims.

Surah 5:111 And remember when I inspired to the disciples, “believe in me and my messenger Jesus.” They said, “we have believed, so bear witness that indeed we are Muslims.”

Surah 61:14 O you who have believed, be supporters of Allah, as when Jesus, the son of Mary said to the disciples, “Who are my supporters for Allah?” The disciples said, “We are supporters of Allah.” And a faction of the children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So we supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant

Note here in the last Surah that the “Disciples became dominant.” Yet the ones who became dominant were Christians… it hurts my brain.

Oh dear. Thanks for this…yes, my brain also hurts

Also these Surah’s don’t seem to have any proper Theology behind them.

MJ

 

[RanTan]

The debate is going on and on and ironically believers of Islam and Christianity are deciding which of the two religons make sense.
Brothers its not you to decide coz you’ll never agree to each other here.
I HAVE AN IMPLICATION THAT “ISLAM IS SPREADING MORE IN MORE CIVILIZED DEVELOPED COUNTRIES LIKE THOSE OF EUROPE AND AMERICA, AND CHRISTIANITY IS SPREADING MORE IN LESS CIVILIZED UNDER/DEVELOPING COUNTRIES.SO THE MOST EDUCATED PEOPLE’S ACCEPTACE, TO ME, SUGGEST ISLAM IS MAKING MORE SENSE DESPITE ALL THE TERRORISM AND FUNDAMENTALISM ACCUSATIONS.”
Thanking you in anticipation for coments about my proposition.

 

[MartinJordan]

The debate is going on and on and ironically believers of Islam and Christianity are deciding which of the two religons make sense.
Brothers its not you to decide coz you’ll never agree to each other here.

The onus is on Islam to give a very good reason for their faith and if they want to pick and choose who Christ was that’s not a very good excuse.

MJ

 

[dronald]

The debate is going on and on and ironically believers of Islam and Christianity are deciding which of the two religons make sense.
Brothers its not you to decide coz you’ll never agree to each other here.
I HAVE AN IMPLICATION THAT “ISLAM IS SPREADING MORE IN MORE CIVILIZED DEVELOPED COUNTRIES LIKE THOSE OF EUROPE AND AMERICA, AND CHRISTIANITY IS SPREADING MORE IN LESS CIVILIZED UNDER/DEVELOPING COUNTRIES.SO THE MOST EDUCATED PEOPLE’S ACCEPTACE, TO ME, SUGGEST ISLAM IS MAKING MORE SENSE DESPITE ALL THE TERRORISM AND FUNDAMENTALISM ACCUSATIONS.”
Thanking you in anticipation for coments about my proposition.

Although you didn’t address one argument and your argument is false and entirely fallacious I will leave you with this:

1 corin 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,

24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, { Greek b according to the flesh b } not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.

27 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;

28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are,

29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.

We are Christians. We are the low, despised, poor, and the most hated. In the last days we will be persecuted and killed for not giving up our beliefs. Such is our burden, but on top of this; we are right.

 

[jediliz]

which makes sense? The one who spoke about loving one another. The one who raised people from the dead. The one who spoke about forgiveness.

Its a no brainer whom I speak about.

That is all I am saying.