WHICH MASS DO YOU ATTEND?

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I am 68 years old and have attended many many masses, but I have difficulty understanding why anyone would want to attend the old so-called low mass or high mass. As theatre, I could understand a liking for the Solemn High Mass, but than you can find better music and a foreign language at almost any performance of legitimate opera. I do not have any intentions of denigrating the fact of Christ’s sacrifice and physical presence at any legitimate mass, but it seems to me to have more meaning when I can attend a mass in my native tongue. I would agree that the music is often horrible. Dick.
 
Dick - then you are old enough, as I am, to remember the song called “To Each His Own”😃
 
Exactly what does “Canonical non-Catholic” mean? Thanks
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I went to a Catholic prep school and college, I am very sympathetic to the RCC and probably know more about Catholicism than my own religion, since I am a cradle protestant.

But I am not a member of the RCC and never have been, according to the canons of the church, I am a non-Catholic.
 
Thank you for your explaination. So would I be accurate then in saying your current interest in Catholicism is mostly academic? You are, as you say, well informed on the topic.
 
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Dick - then you are old enough, as I am, to remember the song called “To Each His Own”😃
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Yes, I remember the song, but I was hoping gfor someone to feed me some “meat” as to what it is that they find so attractive in the older forms of our mass. I am not trying to be snide or nasty. Dick
 
I am sure I, and others, have poted our “meat” as you call it in many other threads here but I’ll try once more.

I might begin by stating that until the age of 16 I was raised a Protestant. I never felt any “connection to God” except when I would go to the High Mass with my Catholic friends and there I always had a sense of the Sacred, understood nothing about Catholicsm or the meaning of the Mass then, just the Sacredness of it all appealed to me. Then I did serious investigation - it was one on one with a priest in those days and took instructions and converted at age 16. I was married at that Mass and had four children all baptized in the Catholic Church.

Then we moved away - to a community where public transportation at that time did not exist, where I had to take a job working Sundays and where little by little my husband and I drifted away from Church. Time passes on - he divorces me and remarrys the same day the divorce was final. I am now even busier with four children and no husand - I still pray and still have God in my life but I am now adrift.

Time passes some more and I start to feel the pull back to the Church and I return. But where is my Church when I return? I find the Mass more like the protestant services I had left and I am confused. Did I go out for popcorn and return to the wrong movie.
I don’t know. So I begin to study seriously all the documents of Vatican II and the Church Fathers and eveything I can learn about Mother church.

I then realize the Mass I am attending is full of liturgical abuses and not at all what Vatican II intended. I am sad. I go to Mass week after week and year after year but I still don’t fell that spiritual connection, that sense of the sacred, that mystery I experienced at the Tridentine Mass. I think it is me, that I had lost my connection because of something I had done. I search my soul. I pray.

I join a Catholic forum - not this one. I start to find out that there is such a thing as an Indult Mass and a group called the FFSP who has valid Masses but alas none where I am. I go visit a friend in Colorado and go to a Tridentine Mass with the friend. I weep, I have come home.

I move to Colorado and spend nearly two years there, but I can’t breath, I need oxygen 24 hours a day eventually and so reluctantly return to my home at a lower elevation and to a Diocese that does not have the Tridentine Mass. I am in a spiritual wasteland, and I pray daily for an Indult Mass to come to my Diocese. About six months ago we get a new Bishop, he announces we may celebrate the Tridentine Mass - I weep again joyfully, thankfully - my spiritual life seems to depend on this Mass.

Today will be the 8th Tridentine Mass in this Diocese and the house is a little dusty but I am home once more.
 
I know you all will think I am picking at nits here but this is one of my pet peeves as well as a pet peeve held by many Byzantine and Non-Byzantine Eastern Christians (both Catholic and Orthodox).
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The Eastern Rite Masses are also very beautiful quite a bit different from either the Tridentine or Missae Ordo you attend. The things I noticed different was that they bless themselves from right to left and use only two fingers. This is done quite frequently during the Liturgy.

The Rite I attended was Ukranian Rite. There were not statues used by instead Icons - I have always thought these were beautiful too.

The Eastern Rites do not use unlevened bread but small pieces of bread dipped in wine and served on a Golden spoon(intinction). This is totally valid for the Eastern Rite. At the one I attended (twice) the Divine Liturgy was that of St. John Chrysostom. If anyone wants to read it - it is online.
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While you are very accurate in everything you said here there is no such thing as an Eastern Rite Mass.

For the Byzantine Churches our Eucharistic Celebration is the Divine Litrugy of St John Chrysostom, or the Divine Liturgy for short. During Lent on Sundays it is the Divine Liturgy of St Basil the Great. While the main part of the liturgy is the same, the priestly prayers are very different. I have also heard that some celebrate the Divine Liturgy of St James on his Holy Day and on one or two other days during the year.

The Mass is the name of the Eucharistic Celebration in the Latin Church.

Now for Liturgical Dance, I am going to make a comment that most likely only other Byzantines will get but…

If you want to see some awesome litrugical dance, then attend a Divine Liturgy celebrated with two deacons. :dancing:
 
While you are very accurate in everything you said here there is no such thing as an Eastern Rite Mass.
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Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl! I get admonished for calling the Odae Missa a Novos Odo Mass, I get told there is no such thing as a Tridentine Mass and that Indult Masses are misnomers, now this - oh boo hoo hoo - I need a glossary :crying:

But then I remember A rose by any other name smells just as sweet and they are all pretty sweet roses.
 
Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl! I get admonished for calling the Odae Missa a Novos Odo Mass, I get told there is no such thing as a Tridentine Mass and that Indult Masses are misnomers, now this - oh boo hoo hoo - I need a glossary
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ROFLOL! I know dieo! Some days you just cannot win. Wanna go out into my garden with me? It’s really lovely today! I have a St Francis upper garden. Our Ladies Garden is nice and is surrounded by a lovely meadow, and the Robins don’t care what prayer language we use. Latin, English, Spanish, Greek etc…they might even share a worm or two with us.😃 It hasn’t been my day either. BaaaaWaaaahhhh! 😉

PS. I cannot resist. That is Ordo Missae. Not Odae Missa! Or Divine Liturgy, not Mass, Or TLM … 😉
 
Sounds lovely - I have a Mary’s garden but this time of year in Arizona is not the time one wants to spend outdoors. I like sitting in the garden in fairer weather and it is one of my favorite places to pray the rosary.
 
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But then I remember A rose by any other name smells just as sweet and they are all pretty sweet roses.
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While this is true… If a rose was called a stink blossom, would we still give them to those we are in love with? :whacky:
 
I must be dumber than spit but does the poll ask if I attend NO Mass? or does N O stand for something. I attend Mass according to the Roman Rite, in the vernacular, Spanish or English depending on when I go. What is the abbreviation for that? I attended a beautiful Mass on the feast of the Assumption at the Shrine of Our Lady of Lebanon in Ohio, I am guessing Maronite, the bulletin said the language of the proper was Syriac. I have also attended various Eastern Rite liturgies, and anyone who does so regularly will be left with no doubt of the reality of the sacrifice we participate in and the Real Presence of Jesus Christ.
 
Actually it says N. O. not NO MASS - and yes it stands for Novus Odo which I have since been corrected as this being a misnomer and it should be the Odo Missae which is to say Mass celebrated using the Missal of 1970 rather than the Tridentine Indult Mass (also a misnomer I have been told) which means Mass celebrated using the 1062 Missal when said Mass is approved to be celebrated by the Bishop of a Diocese. (you can see why I resorted to abbreviations 😉 Byz Catholic may tell you that Eastern Rite Liturgy is a misnomer to and that it is supposed to be the Divine Liturgy -

Now what was that question again 😃
 
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Actually it says N. O. not NO MASS - and yes it stands for Novus Odo which I have since been corrected as this being a misnomer and it should be the Odo Missae which is to say Mass celebrated using the Missal of 1970 rather than the Tridentine Indult Mass (also a misnomer I have been told) which means Mass celebrated using the 1062 Missal when said Mass is approved to be celebrated by the Bishop of a Diocese. (you can see why I resorted to abbreviations 😉 Byz Catholic may tell you that Eastern Rite Liturgy is a misnomer to and that it is supposed to be the Divine Liturgy -

Now what was that question again 😃
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ROFLOL! Well your getting closer dio. That is **Ordo ** Missae. But we are having fun so it doesn’t really matter. I forgot what the question was too. 😃
 
I wouldn’t mind trying one of dem dere charismatic Masses. Do they have their own ordo? orzo? ouzo? It gets over 100 down here in the summer, and we usually have a couple of kids fainting at the 12 oclock, does that count as being slain in the Spirit? I ask for instruction, not to denigrate anyone else’s experience. Obviously if you have seen it you don’t need a description, and if you haven’t no description will suffice.
 
Ordo - Ordo - Ordo - will this forum please come to Ordo

LOL:D Maybe that will help me remember. Well you said your day started out poorly but maybe a good laugh helped it end well.

And - as Scarlet said so sweetly in Gone With The Wind “tomorrow is another day”
 
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deogratias:
Actually it says N. O. not NO MASS - and yes it stands for Novus Odo which I have since been corrected as this being a misnomer and it should be the Odo Missae which is to say Mass celebrated using the Missal of 1970 rather than the Tridentine Indult Mass (also a misnomer I have been told) which means Mass celebrated using the 1062 Missal when said Mass is approved to be celebrated by the Bishop of a Diocese. (you can see why I resorted to abbreviations 😉 Byz Catholic may tell you that Eastern Rite Liturgy is a misnomer to and that it is supposed to be the Divine Liturgy -

Now what was that question again 😃
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I hate to do this to ya, deo, but you gave the missal an extra 900 years. It’s the 1962 Missal, not 1062. 🙂
 
and people accuse me of not being progressive;)

I am having cataract surgery on Thursday and then I probably won’t even be able to read what I type for a few days - who knows what new and creative predictions I may inadvertently make then:D
 
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deogratias:
and people accuse me of not being progressive;)

I am having cataract surgery on Thursday and then I probably won’t even be able to read what I type for a few days - who knows what new and creative predictions I may inadvertently make then:D
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Well, you went back 900 years, so you actually regressed. 🙂
 
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