Which of Luthers 95 theses

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EA_Man:
I like this one too:
  1. Again: – “Why does not the pope, whose wealth is to-day greater than the riches of the richest, build just this one church of St. Peter with his own money, rather than with the money of poor believers?”
Now that’s a good question.

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Do you realize that throughout the middle ages, the popes often had to spend their money to pay for things like the formation and pay of armies to defend Italy because of the incompitance of European monarchies? I don’t know the specifics of the funding of St. Peter’s, but it has been, and is still, open to all the “poor believers”, even those who are not Catholic. So if they did pay for it, they didn’t get nothing out of it.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Are your historians teaching at Jack Chick University ?:rolleyes:
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Jack Chick and Dave Hunt are a bit over the top for my tastes.

And I wasn’t aware that Jack Chick had a University named after him. 😉

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Xavier:
You totally missed my point.
If you say (which I do not agree with) that Luther misunderstood indulgences.
My reply was: How much more an average lay person in Luthers day would misunderstand them.
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Ok, I missed your point then. I agree that many lay people misunderstood them, which was why they came to be a problem of sorts. But if you take the time to read about what indulgances actually are, and then compare that to what Luther says they are, you’ll see that he was clearly misunderstanding them.
 
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EA_Man:
Jack Chick and Dave Hunt are a bit over the top for my tastes.

And I wasn’t aware that Jack Chick had a University named after him. 😉

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Well sir where are you getting your “unbiased” sources?:nope:
 
What is the purpose of this thread?

26.* The pope does well when he grants remission to souls [in purgatory], not by the power of the keys (which he does not possess), but by way of intercession.*

If the Pope does not hold the keys, then who does?

86. Again: – “Why does not the pope, whose wealth is to-day greater than the riches of the richest, build just this one church of St. Peter with his own money, rather than with the money of poor believers?”

Can you prove that the Pope has “greater riches than the riches of the richest”?
 
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Malachi4U:
How much more the average Protestant?

Jesus founded a Church not a book. He commanded us to be loyal, to remain of one body and one mind.

Jesus founded His body, His Catholic Church to correct the errors of the lay people and ignorent and/or missguided clergy like Luther (and the Protestants too;) ).

Follow the Faith, Morals and Dogma of His Cathlic Church like Jesus wanted. Don’t just focus on one man, one heritic.

Luther prayed the rosary till he died. He believed Jesus had no siblings. He believed Blessesd Mary ever virgin. Why do Protestants pick and choose they want to believe? Why focus on the 95 Thesis? If you claim to follow Luther why have the Lutherans failed to follow him? Why do they change away from what he taught? Why are there several Lutheran branches?

So why do you support His 95 Thesis? Post them here one by one and support them with your proof. You brought up the question so please support it so that we can respond in kind.

God bless, glad to see you still posting here!👍
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What Jesus founded did not resemble anything that looked like the RCC of the 16th century. First off most Protestant let alone Catholics know what the 95 theses were.I dont agree with all. I have however read them. Have you?
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Our late Pope gave away everything
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I never said anything about JP2.
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Lisa4Catholics:
The Church money is for the Church and her members
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Cool, well I’m still on a roster somewhere. Are they mailing out checks or do I have to go to Rome?

Tell you what, it’s probably easier if I just take out of the collection on Sunday instead. 😉
 
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EA_Man:
I like this one too:
  1. Again: – “Why does not the pope, whose wealth is to-day greater than the riches of the richest, build just this one church of St. Peter with his own money, rather than with the money of poor believers?”
Now that’s a good question.

Peace
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Answered by Trent, but some of these…like that one are irrelevent to the doctrinal errors that Luther espoused.
However, while we 're on the subject let’s talk about ones that I can agree with and that I dare you to do so since they are indeed scriptural and correct.
These:
"14. The imperfect health [of soul], that is to say, the imperfect love, of the dying brings with it, of necessity, great fear; and the smaller the love, the greater is the fear.
  1. This fear and horror is sufficient of itself alone (to say nothing of other things) to constitute the penalty of purgatory, since it is very near to the horror of despair.
  2. Hell, purgatory, and heaven seem to differ as do despair, almost-despair, and the assurance of safety.
  3. With souls in purgatory it seems necessary that horror should grow less and love increase.
  4. It seems unproved, either by reason or Scripture, that they are outside the state of merit, that is to say, of increasing love."
So…if Luther was so great then I suppose you guys are gonna tell me that you also believe in purgatory as he rightly describes it. :eek:
 
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tkdnick:
What is the purpose of this thread?

26.* The pope does well when he grants remission to souls [in purgatory], not by the power of the keys (which he does not possess), but by way of intercession.*

If the Pope does not hold the keys, then who does?

86. Again: – “Why does not the pope, whose wealth is to-day greater than the riches of the richest, build just this one church of St. Peter with his own money, rather than with the money of poor believers?”

Can you prove that the Pope has “greater riches than the riches of the richest”?
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I am sorry for your misfortion in running into this thread the thread starter enjoys Church slamming:mad: And takes any and every opportunity to do so,under a Saints name no less:nope:
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
I am sorry for your misfortion in running into this thread the thread starter enjoys Church slamming:mad: And takes any and every opportunity to do so,under a Saints name no less:nope:
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I came here of my own volition for the purpose of “helping out”…if I can.

One thing I haven’t been able to figure out…what is the purpose of this thread? All Xavier asked was what of the 95 do we disagree with? Why does he want to know? Where are we all going with this?
 
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EA_Man:
I never said anything about JP2.

Cool, well I’m still on a roster somewhere. Are they mailing out checks or do I have to go to Rome?

Tell you what, it’s probably easier if I just take out of the collection on Sunday instead. 😉
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Your ssarcasm aside there have been many time the Church helped my family with food and keeping a roof over our head as well as the lights on:mad: Your taking out the collection on Sunday is real cute:mad: How much do your ministers make a year I heard it was quite lucrative in fact when I was a protestant our preacher had the finest house and cars in the congregation.I suppose in your free time you volunteer in Calcutta to help Mother Teresas order:nope:
 
It seems to me that n-Cs have a serious “cafeteria” syndrome, and I can’t understand why they bother to attack Catholicism and the church when they don’t even agree among themselves about much of anything.
 
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EA_Man:
Cool, well I’m still on a roster somewhere. Are they mailing out checks or do I have to go to Rome?

Tell you what, it’s probably easier if I just take it out of the collection on Sunday instead. 😉
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Stay charitable EA_Man! :tsktsk:
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Well sir where are you getting your “unbiased” sources?:nope:
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Morris Bishop - The Middle Ages
James Burke - The Day the Universe Changed

Eamon Duffy - Saints and Sinners : A History of the Popes
J.N.D. Kelly - The Oxford Dictionary of Popes

I realize that Duffy is probably not a favorite around here, there are more, but I can’t recall just this minute.

Peace
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Your ssarcasm aside there have been many time the Church helped my family with food and keeping a roof over our head as well as the lights on:mad: Your taking out the collection on Sunday is real cute:mad: How much do your ministers make a year I heard it was quite lucrative in fact when I was a protestant our preacher had the finest house and cars in the congregation.I suppose in your free time you volunteer in Calcutta to help Mother Teresas order:nope:
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Actually most of the ministers that I know personally are stone cold broke.

I prefer to donate to partnerswithhaiti.org/

Peace
 
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EA_Man:
Morris Bishop - The Middle Ages
James Burke - The Day the Universe Changed

Eamon Duffy - Saints and Sinners : A History of the Popes
J.N.D. Kelly - The Oxford Dictionary of Popes

I realize that Duffy is probably not a favorite around here, there are more, but I can’t recall just this minute.

Peace
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I don’t have to read about popes… I read what they wrote. And why would we care what the n-Cs might allege about them anyway? I haven’t seen or heard n-Cs offer an unbiased opinion of the popes in 53 years of my life. 😃
 
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tkdnick:
I came here of my own volition for the purpose of “helping out”…if I can.

One thing I haven’t been able to figure out…what is the purpose of this thread? All Xavier asked was what of the 95 do we disagree with? Why does he want to know? Where are we all going with this?
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In the the sola scriptura and english translation thread on the apologetic board a poster attacked Luther. So I asked which of the 95 did he disagree with thus this thread got started.
 
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