Which Office Do You Pray?

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OraLabora,

I am really enjoying our dialog. Thanks for sharing.

Your last post gave me food for thought, but I still see a lot of deficiencies when I pray the new vs. old Office. The older forms are more rigorous in their language. They are not afraid to talk about things like purgatory, sin, “soul”, devil, the necessity of grace and our total dependence upon it, original sin, etc… So many times, when I read Psalms and Collects from the Monastic Diurnal vs. the Grail Psalter and Collects in the LOTH, I can see not only deletions or mistranslations, but I see a pattern of words chosen that emphasize: the dignity of man, our social responsibilities, prayers for earthly peace; but I see an avoidance of: a personified evil in Satan himself, our natural tendency to sin, our need to persevere in grace to make it to Heaven, our need to pray for souls in Purgatory, etc… It’s not universal, but it’s a pattern.

It must be me, but I leave praying the LOTH like I’ve been given a hug by Jesus and my fellow man. I leave praying the Monastic Diurnal or the 1962 Breviarium Romanum like I’ve just finished a spiritual battle. One makes me feel content with myself. One makes me feel like I’ve grown stronger in my resistance to the world, the flesh, and the Devil.

I know this is subjective, and I wish I could give more concrete examples right now, but it’s just a pattern. I know that the Collects match the Mass, but it’s the fact that these Collects were either fabricated or altered significantly in the first place.
Well in my case I pray the LOTH in Latin; so the psalm translation is less of an issue, unless there are issues between the Vulgate and Neo Vulgate.

I don’t do the 1962 Breviarum Romanum; when I have time, usually in winter, I try to do the Monastic Office. I use the current monastic office, which follows the basic schema of St. Benedict. I also do that in Latin.

I do have the psalms in French alongside the Latin to help me along (as French is my mother tongue).

Much of what you speak of, concerning the rigorous language, necessity of grace, etc., can still be found in the Latin hymns used with the current LOTH if you pray in Latin. Even the Dies Irae, lost in the current Requiem Mass, is the designated hymn for the last week of Ordinary Time (it’s divided into three parts for Matins, Lauds and Vespers), and the Dies Irae certainly spares nobody’s sensibilities from the rough stuff.

I think if you take the LOTH in Latin, and scratch a bit below the surface, you can see much of what we thought lost hasn’t, in fact been lost at least in Latin, but has been lost in the translation. But the real big loss for me is the deprecatory psalms and the deprecatory verses of the psalms that were not deleted (for the latter, fortunately the source that I use to pray has them in brackets).

Using the Monastic Office solves that. The current Monastic Office schemas to me are the way to go if you want a very full Office. Schema A follows the order laid down by St. Benedict (praying 255 psalms a week obviously with repetitions), and schema B prays all 150 psalms in a week. Both these schemas have been adapted to the current liturgical year, so share the readings, collects and intercessions with the LOTH without losing any of the psalmody.

However few have the luxury of time to do that. For me, if I do it fully, it’s about 3 hours of prayer daily since I chant all the Offices. I can shave off maybe half an hour by distributing Vigils over 2 weeks. I am blessed as I work from home so I don’t have a commute to worry about.

For others the LOTH is perfectly fine given one’s reality in life, and now that we have resources to chant it in Latin, we can regain much of the lost treasure, albeit distributed over a longer period of time.
This has been my biggest problem, too. The dichotomy can start to affect your spiritual life. You can start to feel like you are praying “in protest”.
The current Monastic Office should be your friend though. It is traditional enough to suit for most I would think, but it is also entirely compatible with the OF Mass. In fact I was on retreat a couple of weeks ago, at a monastery in France, where they use the traditional schema of St. Benedict (basically what’s in the Monastic Diurnal but with modern readings, collects and intercessions), and they do an OF Mass in Gregorian Chant,
 
I’m getting in on this a little late. I try to pray the 4-volume LOTH. It took me a while to figure it out, but by doing it with my husband (he read from divineoffice.org’s ipod app), I am now able to use it. But as has been pointed out here, the prayers are, shall we say, on the “light” side, and I definitely don’t feel that I’m getting full use of the Psalms.

Has anyone looked at this site:

breviary.net/

It has the old Roman Breviary, which I believe is from 1911, absolutely beautiful illustrations and pictures, and even has chant and songs that you can play along with it online. It follows the pre-Vatican II calendar. It does cost (I think it’s $2.99 a month, or $24 a year). Unfortunately, it is produced by a schismatic group, The Lay Confraternity of Ss. Peter & Paul, which rejects all liturgical reforms since Vatican II and denies Pope Benedict XVI.

catholicculture.org/culture/reviews/view.cfm?recnum=2057

However, that doesn’t take away from the materials they produce. This Liturgy probably wouldn’t be valid for the clergy, but I think it is fine for lay people. To pray it properly takes at least a couple hours a day, so I don’t normally get through it. But I do enjoy reading through as much of it as I can.
 
FWIW, I do not believe that the Psalm Prayers are mandatory. My monastery uses them, but other English translations (for England, Australia, etc) apparently do not.

Some are beautiful, actually. Some, not so much
 
FWIW, I do not believe that the Psalm Prayers are mandatory. My monastery uses them, but other English translations (for England, Australia, etc) apparently do not.

Some are beautiful, actually. Some, not so much
They are not mandatory and aren’t even in the Editio Typica in Latin.
 
They are not mandatory and aren’t even in the Editio Typica in Latin.
Thanks for the confirmation, amico mio. 🙂

Oddly enough, I find the ones for the Day Hours to be better than those for Lauds and Vespers.
 
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