Been awhile since i last read of you gottle,good to know you are still kicking.St. Paul did. So the Protestant position is not an unreasonable one. If he had reasoned from the Crucifixion, to some lack pf competence in the Jews to recognise the OT, the objection might be valid. He didn’t do so. He says they don’t recognise the Messiah, because a veil is over the Scriptures when they read them - not that they can’t recognise the Scriptures (whether because of the Crucifixion or any other cause).
Besides, not only does he very strongly affirm God’s election of the Jews, & the gift to them of “the oracles of God” & of much more - he does not say that all are responsible for the death of Christ. And hardly any were. In no sense can the Jews be singled out as a race of “Christ-killers” - they aren’t. Any more than all people in the US are a race of Charles Mansons. Some people are - but only them. All Jews were in Jerusalem were not responsible then, still less are all responsible since the Passion, throughout the world & until now. Anti-Jewish feeling because of the Passion has no place in the Church at all.
Are you now denying sola scripta? You are mistaken in your words John for Christ is not the base of our faith but the core of our faith.Perhaps ask yourself this "what do i base my faith in Christ on?"Both the OT and NT tell us who Christ is…Then you must also make that claim of many a Catholic, including St. Jerome, and I think you would agree that Catholics would be offended were I to claim the Jerome’s very base of faith relied on those not of Christianity. Excuse us, then, if we take umbrage to the charge you make.
That said, I think the most of us would respond by saying that the very base of our faith is in Christ Jesus, the Gospel of the NT, and that we view the OT, specifically the prophesies, through that lens. So, to say that the very base of our faith is dependent on, say, 1st or 2nd century Jewish scholars is at best, an oversimplification, and at worst just plane inaccurate.
Jon
How am I denying sola scriptura? First, tell me what you think sola scriptura is. I suspect our understanding will be quite different.Are you now denying sola scripta? You are mistaken in your words John for Christ is not the base of our faith but the core of our faith.Perhaps ask yourself this "what do i base my faith in Christ on?"Both the OT and NT tell us who Christ is…
Scripture alone is the rule of faith…iow all that one needs to “know” is contained in scripture.How am I denying sola scriptura? First, tell me what you think sola scriptura is. I suspect our understanding will be quite different.
Jon
So, to answer your question, preface:Scripture alone is the rule of faith…iow all that one needs to “know” is contained in scripture.
Did you ask yourself my question and what did you answer with?
" I base my faith on the Word of God,…"and it is this very word of God that, you are basing your faith on, is picked out by non-christians.My mistake in that as a Lutheran you John do not have an “bible alone” beleif system.So, to answer your question, preface:
Therefore, I base my faith on the Word of God, taught to me by the Church using the confessions, creeds, and early councils that reflect it’s truth. It is through word and sacrament that He continues to make Himself known to me, sanctifies me, and guides me to do His good works.
- you then know that SS says scripture is the final norm, it does not prohibit Tradition or limit the authority of the Church to teach, but simply requires tradition and the Church to not contradict scripture.
- that faith is itself a gift of Grace. We receive faith not by our own actions but because of the grace of God.
Now, how am I denying sola scriptura?
Jon
Gotcha. *Sola *scriptura as compared to solo scriptura." I base my faith on the Word of God,…"and it is this very word of God that, you are basing your faith on, is picked out by non-christians.My mistake in that as a Lutheran you John do not have an “bible alone” beleif system.