Which Pentential Rite(s) is your parish using during Lent?

[anp1215]

If you want to send it to me via private message or e-mail, I’ll take a look at it. It sounds like it’s something other than what I thought you were talking about originally.

I’ll send it to you.

 

[MissRose73]

I asked my mother what rite they use, she said they have used the Confiteor a few times but when I recited both to her, she said they were not using the newer translation of it (and I’ve have both memorized).

 

[SMHW]

The GIRM calls for a response format of the kyrie…the music minister sings the kyrie along with the choir and entire congregation, there is no response. The man sings “You were sent to heal the contrite, you came to call sinners, you plead for us at the right hand of the father (choir and people join in) kyrie eleison, kyrie eleison, kyrie eleison, kyrie e-, kyrie eleison.”

Then repeat for christe eleison and kyrie eleison.

It’s hard to explain, I have a video if you want me to send it to you, I don’t want to post it here.

I personally think it sounds quite beautiful, but I still think it’s technically improper.

What you are describing seems like a bastardization of the the invocation version of the Penitential rite.

The words, “You were sent to heal the contrite/You came to call sinners/You plead for us at the right hand of the father,” are some of the more commonly used invocations.

Normally you’d hear,
“You were sent to hear the Contrite. Lord have Mercy”. “Lord have mercy.”
“You came to call sinners. Christ have mercy.” “Christ have mercy.”
“You plead for us at the right hand of the father. Lord have mercy.” “Lord have mercy.”

 

[OraLabora]

In the Graduale Romanum, I think all the Gregorian settings are nine-fold as well.

No. They are six-fold, and only nine-fold on the greater solemnities.

The Kyriale is exactly the same, OF vs EF. Kyrie XI for example, for Sundays of Ordinary Time, is six-fold. Kyrie XI (Orbis Factor) is definitely Gregorian!

 

[aemcpa]

No. They are six-fold, and only nine-fold on the greater solemnities.

The Kyriale is exactly the same, OF vs EF. Kyrie XI for example, for Sundays of Ordinary Time, is six-fold. Kyrie XI (Orbis Factor) is definitely Gregorian!

Kyrie XI is definitely nine-fold, but it’s just a matter of deleting one iota to make it six-fold. In the traditional Kyriale, the first invocation is written out only once, followed by the marking “iij”, which indicates it is to be sung thrice. The “Christe” is likewise written out only once with an “iij”, and the second Kyrie is written as two separate chants, with the first marked “ij”, meaning sing it twice. In the new Gradual, the “iij” marking are changed to “ij” and the “ij” at the penultimate Kyrie is omitted.

The rest of the Kyriale is so treated as well.

 

[anp1215]

What you are describing seems like a bastardization of the the invocation version of the Penitential rite.

The words, “You were sent to heal the contrite/You came to call sinners/You plead for us at the right hand of the father,” are some of the more commonly used invocations.

Normally you’d hear,
“You were sent to hear the Contrite. Lord have Mercy”. “Lord have mercy.”
“You came to call sinners. Christ have mercy.” “Christ have mercy.”
“You plead for us at the right hand of the father. Lord have mercy.” “Lord have mercy.”

That’s normally what I hear…or close to it… “You were sent to heal the contrite of heart…you came to call sinners…you are seated at the right hand of the Father to intercede for us.”

I listened to the video again; the first “kyrie” is what I posted above, then he sings “You raised the dead to life in the Spirit, you bring pardon and peace to the sinner, you bring light to those in darkness, christe eleison (repeat),” then “You reconciled us to (something, couldn’t understand) one another, You heal the wounds of sin and division, you intercede for us with your father, kyrie eleison (repeat)”