Which Protestant Demoninations believe...

[jonfan]

Hi,
No I do not say the Our Father daily. I just talk to God with whatever is on my mind at the time. All day long. I call them popcorn prayers. I am not against saying those prayers, dont get me wrong. It just isnt really personal to me. I want to have a more intimate relationship with God and to me saying the same prayer is just letting God know I believe but it isnt getting to the heart of things in my life. The other thing,at least for me, I feel if I said the same thing day after day, it would start to lose its meaning for me and just become a habit that I lose sight of the meaning. That is me, I certainly cant speak for anyone else.

Hi AllForHim,
How could the our Father lose it’s meaning? The actual intent that you are following Jesus instructions by saying the Our Father is pleasing to God. Popcorn prayers. That is cool.

God bless,
Jon

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Hi AllForHim,
How could the our Father lose it’s meaning? The actual intent that you are following Jesus instructions by saying the Our Father is pleasing to God. Popcorn prayers. That is cool.

God bless,
Jon

I mean for me it might lose its meaning over time if I say it over and over and over. I wouldnt want that to happen. If I get to use to something I tend to take it for granted. For example my husband

 

[here_i_stand]

I am WELS Lutheran. We pray the Apostle’s Creed and the Nicene Creed (on communion Sundays - twice/month). On Trinity Sunday, we usually say the Athanasian Creed. We replaced the word “catholic” with “Christian”, although I believe that was only recently. We also used “catholic” with the understanding of “universal”.

 

[jmcrae]

I mean for me it might lose its meaning over time if I say it over and over and over. I wouldnt want that to happen. If I get to use to something I tend to take it for granted. For example my husband

Actually it gains more and more meaning over time, the more you repeat it, and the more it soaks into your heart.

I have a husband, too, and there was a time I took him for granted; there was also a time when certain things he did annoyed me - now I don’t know how I would survive without them - I can’t sleep unless I can hear him snoring, but at one time, that used to drive me crazy.

More repetition (when it’s not vain repetition) brings more love, I think.

 

[Syele]

Every Church I’ve attended believed the Apostle’s Creed, though only a couple actually recited it.

As for the Lord’s Prayer (Our Father) my church teaches it’s a model of the way to pray, not necessarily the specific words. You *can *pray it as written, but that is not quite what the point of it is for.

Right now I’m praying it every night with my Daughter so she will have it memorized. And each night we talk about what the point of one part or another is. When she has it memorized and understand it all, then she will pray her own prayers at night, not just recite it.

 

[mrs_abbott]

As a United Methodist who embraces the Church Catholic, why would I leave such a thing out?

O+

I didn’t know that Methodists embraced the Catholic Church. I just “assumed” that each denomination had their own sets of rules and beliefs centered around God. I apologize for assuming that. Thank you for telling me different.

 

[mrs_abbott]

In may personal experience at least, most of the folks I worshipped with would include the Catholic Church among the universal church as well, although I know that this belief is not reciprocated by the Catholic Church.

Maybe I’m just not reading this right to understand but could you please clarify what you mean here? My brain is not working on full power right now and I apologize, if this seems like a dumb question.

 

[Syele]

Maybe I’m just not reading this right to understand but could you please clarify what you mean here? My brain is not working on full power right now and I apologize, if this seems like a dumb question.

Universal Church= all true Christians

 

[Sabda]

I had a discussion with some protestants on another board and one said that you could leave out the part about “holy catholic church” in the Apostles Creed. So there are some that do omit it.

 

[rico]

Then it’s not the Apostles’ Creed any more. What other parts are they free to tinker with?? If “the Virgin Mary” sounds a little too Catholic for them, are they free to drop that also?

 

[rr1213]

Maybe I’m just not reading this right to understand but could you please clarify what you mean here? My brain is not working on full power right now and I apologize, if this seems like a dumb question.

I meant that the Protestant understanding of Holy Catholic Church is that of the universal church, visible and invisible, existing throughout time. This church includes the Protestant Churches as well as the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church, of course, has a more limited understanding of the concept…namely that “Holy Catholic Church” means the Catholic Church, i.e., the Churches under the authority of and in communion with the Pope.

 

[RCCDefender]

So, what I’m gathering is that Methodists, Lutherans, and Episcopals/Anglicans use the Apostle’s and/or the Nicene Creed in their church services at least part of the time if not every Sunday. For those that said they believed what it said even if their denomination doesn’t say it, what denominations do you belong to? Thanks!!!

 

[dch1983]

Then it’s not the Apostles’ Creed any more. What other parts are they free to tinker with?? If “the Virgin Mary” sounds a little too Catholic for them, are they free to drop that also?

Absolutely not. The changing of the words to “Holy Christian Church” is a product of the anti-Catholicism that is rampant in many Protestant denominations, which of course does not excuse it. It should certainly not be changed.

 

[dch1983]

So, what I’m gathering is that Methodists, Lutherans, and Episcopals/Anglicans use the Apostle’s and/or the Nicene Creed in their church services at least part of the time if not every Sunday. For those that said they believed what it said even if their denomination doesn’t say it, what denominations do you belong to? Thanks!!!

In my experience, the Apostles’ Creed is recited at most mainline Protestant church services, whether they change “Catholic” to “Christian” or not. I have been to multiple non-denominational church services as well and neither creed has ever been recited in my visits. The explanation I have been given by them again has to do with avoiding repetition, especially in a church service or in prayer. It seems they believe what is said in the Creed but do not profess the Creed itself.

 

[Stephen_C]

It is our profession of faith. Not a prayer. Not a repetitious prayer. Getting off subject just for a sec…So what is so wrong with repetitious prayer? I pray the Our Father, and Hail Mary all the time when driving in rush hour traffic. There is nothing better to fight off road rage. I do not take for granted how powerful repetitious prayer can be. Ok back to the subject…

 

[rico]

Absolutely not. The changing of the words to “Holy Christian Church” is a product of the anti-Catholicism that is rampant in many Protestant denominations, which of course does not excuse it. It should certainly not be changed.

I agree with your assessment of why “catholic” is changed to “Christian.” But I have a greater heartburn with the groups that just drop the line entirely as was pointed out in the earlier post. There’s cerainly no reason it needed to be changed from “catholic” to “Christian,” but dropping the line altogether is an issue on a greater scale.

 

[mrs_abbott]

I meant that the Protestant understanding of Holy Catholic Church is that of the universal church, visible and invisible, existing throughout time. This church includes the Protestant Churches as well as the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church, of course, has a more limited understanding of the concept…namely that “Holy Catholic Church” means the Catholic Church, i.e., the Churches under the authority of and in communion with the Pope.

Gotcha!

 

[mrs_abbott]

When was the Apostles Creed written? Was it before or after the Catholic Church was coined into term?

 

[jmcrae]

When was the Apostles Creed written? Was it before or after the Catholic Church was coined into term?

We first read the term “Catholic Church” in the writings of St. Ignatius of Antioch, who was martyred in 110 AD, just fifteen years after the last page of the Bible was written. The way he uses the term, he assumes that his audience knows what it means (he doesn’t define it for them) so it must have been a common term to describe the Church.

The year of origin of the Apostles’ Creed is unknown, but there is a legend that the 12 Apostles each contributed one line of it, which is why it is 12 lines long. In any case, it has been in use right from the very beginning.

 

[Syele]

Then it’s not the Apostles’ Creed any more. What other parts are they free to tinker with?? If “the Virgin Mary” sounds a little too Catholic for them, are they free to drop that also?

Not likely, Protestants DO believe Mary gave birth to Jesus as a Virgin. Which is an important Miracle.