Which Translations Have the Two Key Marian Verses?

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I think that’s worded right. What I mean is the two most well known verses pertaining to Mary: the prophecy of the virgin birth in Isaiah 7:14 and the angelic salutation calling Mary “full of grace” in Luke 1:28. Oh, and I also mean the English translations.

[BIBLEDRB]Isaiah 7:14[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Luke 1:28[/BIBLEDRB]

And…
Which commentary would give a good description that even a newbie could use to provide when defending the Church’s teachings about Mary? It’s usually one of the top 5 things non-Catholics question (or throw in my face with names like “heathen”, etc.). I’m guessing that Haydock’s would be very good. And also maybe checking the Catechism for some points to make.

So far I’ve found that the
Douay Rheims has it for both verses
Knox-1
Christian Community-has both, kinda. Luke 1:28 reads “Rejoice, full of grace”
New Jerusalem-0
New American Bible- Depends on which version. I’m somewhat sure the 1991 revision has Isaiah the traditional way, and am positive it doesn’t have it for Luke 1:28.

I know the RSV-2CE has “full of grace”, but I don’t have the OT, or know where the 2nd edition can be found online to check the Isaiah verse.
 
The RSV-2CE has ‘virgin’ in Is. 7:14 and ‘full of grace’ in Luke 1:28.
 
This is off the top of my head, so feel free to correct me!

Both “virgin” in Isaiah 7:14, and “Full of grace” in Luke 1:28:
Douay-Rheims / Douay-Rheims Challoner
Revised Standard Version, Second Catholic Edition
Christian Community Bible (or, at least, the “Indian version” approved by our Bishops a few years ago.)

"Virgin" in Isaiah 7:14, but no “Full of grace” in Luke 1:28:
King James Bible
Revised Standard Version, First Catholic Edition
New American Bible (Original version)
English Standard Version
Orthodox Study Bible (which has a Septuagint-based OT and a New King James NT)

Neither “virgin” in Isaiah 7:14, nor “Full of grace” in Luke 1:28:
Jerusalem Bible (though it does use “maiden” in Is 7:14)
New Jerusalem Bible
New American Bible (Revised edition)
New Revised Standard Version
Good News Bible (aka Today’s English Version)

I don’t own any of the other “mainstream” Protestant versions, such as the NASB or NIV, but my guess is that they’d all fall into the second category.
 
A quick search of Catholic and Protestant translations on my computer made for some interesting results. Here is what I found in Acts concerning St. Stephen:

Acts 6:8

(ASV) And Stephen, full of grace and power, wrought great wonders and signs among the people.

(BBE) And Stephen, full of grace and power, did great wonders and signs among the people.

(DRB) And Stephen, full of grace and fortitude, did great wonders and signs among the people.

(ESV) And Stephen, full of grace and power, was doing great wonders and signs among the people.

(NAB) Now Stephen, filled with grace and power, was working great wonders and signs among the people.

(RSV-CE) And Stephen, full of grace and power, did great wonders and signs among the people.

Stephen is called full of grace in many translations, I wonder why the same can’t be said about the Blessed Virgin.:confused:
 
HillbillyHermit said:
A quick search of Catholic and Protestant translations on my computer made for some interesting results. Here is what I found in Acts concerning St. Stephen:

Acts 6:8

(ASV) And Stephen, full of grace and power, wrought great wonders and signs among the people.

(BBE) And Stephen, full of grace and power, did great wonders and signs among the people.

(DRB) And Stephen, full of grace and fortitude, did great wonders and signs among the people.

(ESV) And Stephen, full of grace and power, was doing great wonders and signs among the people.

(NAB) Now Stephen, filled with grace and power, was working great wonders and signs among the people.

(RSV-CE) And Stephen, full of grace and power, did great wonders and signs among the people.

Stephen is called full of grace in many translations, I wonder why the same can’t be said about the Blessed Virgin.:confused:
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The Greek behind Stephen who is called “full of grace” in Acts 6:8, plaras karitos, is different than in Luke 1:28. (The same is the case in John 1:14.)

kecharitomene, which is used in Luke 1:28, means “one who has been graced”. While “full of grace” for Luke 1:28 is a legitimate translation, I don’t think it fully captures the Greek perfect passive participle for *charitoo. * The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible has a fine note on this, along with the New Jerusalem Bible.
 
mccorm45 said:
The Greek behind Stephen who is called “full of grace” in Acts 6:8, plaras karitos, is different than in Luke 1:28. (The same is the case in John 1:14.)

kecharitomene, which is used in Luke 1:28, means “one who has been graced”. While “full of grace” for Luke 1:28 is a legitimate translation, I don’t think it fully captures the Greek perfect passive participle for *charitoo. * The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible has a fine note on this, along with the New Jerusalem Bible.
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If I understand this correctly, “favored one” would be another legitimate translation, wouldn’t it?
 
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