Which Verse Says That Jesus Died For Everyone's Sin?

[NotWorthy]

It is Ruwach and it means wind or breath. It does not refer to the Holy Spirit. When God breathed into the mouth of man, he breathed life into him. That is the ‘breath’ or life that returns to God. Not the soul. Scripture says that when breath was breathed into man, man became a ‘living soul.’ Man is a living soul and when the body dies, the soul dies.

We must remember however that when man dies, he then assumes “God Time” and time to God doesn’t change. Scripture says that to God, a day is like a thousand years, or a thousand years is like a day. If man is in the grave for 1,000 years, as far as he is concerned, when he closes his eyes in death, he will instantly open them at the resurrection. Time in the grave doesn’t count on God’s time.

May God Bless…

That is my opinion and what I get out of God’s word.

Ok…

So, if we continue along your line of thinking that these spirits are souls, then it would seem they do return to God - for judgment. You notice the Scripture doesn’t say they return and remain, simply that they return. As evidenced by Jesus’ teachings, when one dies, one goes to the Lord and is judged.

The Ecclesiastes author seems to be referring to this.

 

[deb1]

Okay, would this indicate a follower of Calvin. The poster has told me that he was the chief sinner.Why would anyone believe that they were the worst sinner?

What is sad is that my poster sounds young. He/she has a depressing view of the power of God’s grace.

 

[NotWorthy]

Okay, would this indicate a follower of Calvin. The poster has told me that he was the chief sinner.Why would anyone believe that they were the worst sinner?

What is sad is that my poster sounds young. He/she has a depressing view of the power of God’s grace.

I’m not sure. Remember, it was the woman who annointed Jesus hair that showed the greatest joy at receiving His Graces.

I think, in this case, your poster is humbling himself, as he should. Of course, remember, I call myself “Notworthy”, so you should consider the source…

 

[deb1]

Logically, all Calvinists should believe in limited atonement (though some shy away from it). The reason stems from the Protestant understanding of the atonement, which is radically different from the Catholic view.

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Very good article! I need to print it out and reread it though.

 

[deb1]

I’m not sure. Remember, it was the woman who annointed Jesus hair that showed the greatest joy at receiving His Graces.

I think, in this case, your poster is humbling himself, as he should. Of course, remember, I call myself “Notworthy”, so you should consider the source…

Okay, so he was probably using hyperbole to explain how unworthy he was. I get that. I was thinking that he was expressing some form of backwards pride in being sinful and needing a savior more then others. But I think now that I was unfair to the poster.

 

[Pier]

Jesus is the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world…

Of course, we must accept and follow Him.

 

[NotWorthy]

Okay, so he was probably using hyperbole to explain how unworthy he was. I get that. I was thinking that he was expressing some form of backwards pride in being sinful and needing a savior more then others. But I think now that I was unfair to the poster.

You could be right. Didn’t Luther profess, “sin, and sin boldly” (paraphrasing)? You were there (with the poster) and I wasn’t.

But just to declare oneself a sinner is to admit our failings, which is the first step to repentance.

 

[Old_Scholar]

Ok…

So, if we continue along your line of thinking that these spirits are souls, then it would seem they do return to God - for judgment. You notice the Scripture doesn’t say they return and remain, simply that they return. As evidenced by Jesus’ teachings, when one dies, one goes to the Lord and is judged.

The Ecclesiastes author seems to be referring to this.

One view is that the spirit is returned to the new body at judgment. However judgment doesn’t come when we die but when we are resurrected. That’s what the Bible promises.

I can’t relate the spirit and soul as being the same thing. Scripture says that when the spirit enters the body, man ‘becomes a living soul’. I believe that means that as long as man is alive, he is a living soul but when he dies, and the spirit returns, the soul dies because the body no longer has a spirit, and there is no longer a 'living soul.’

There are some things I wish the Bible was more specific about. Too many people have distorted the spirit, body and soul to fit their own belief, I know. One distortion is that when you die, if you are saved, you go straight to heaven but the Bible doesn’t teach that. Instead it tells us that no one has gone to heaven except He who came down from heaven.

Wouldn’t it be great if we could ‘know it all’??? One day we will!

 

[NotWorthy]

One view is that the spirit is returned to the new body at judgment. However judgment doesn’t come when we die but when we are resurrected. That’s what the Bible promises.

I can’t relate the spirit and soul as being the same thing. Scripture says that when the spirit enters the body, man ‘becomes a living soul’. I believe that means that as long as man is alive, he is a living soul but when he dies, and the spirit returns, the soul dies because the body no longer has a spirit, and there is no longer a 'living soul.’

There are some things I wish the Bible was more specific about. Too many people have distorted the spirit, body and soul to fit their own belief, I know. One distortion is that when you die, if you are saved, you go straight to heaven but the Bible doesn’t teach that. Instead it tells us that no one has gone to heaven except He who came down from heaven.

Wouldn’t it be great if we could ‘know it all’??? One day we will!

I think you are a little mistaken in your subject of death. We have an individual judgment, where if we are deemed righteous, we will go to heaven after a little purgation process. The Judgment day that you are referring to will be the 2nd judgment when we will be re-unified with our bodies.

You are correct in your bible statement of “no one going to heaven except he who has come down from heaven”, but that was prior to our Good Lord and Savior Jesus Christ opening the pearly gates for those who are found righteous.

 

[Old_Scholar]

I think you are a little mistaken in your subject of death. We have an individual judgment, where if we are deemed righteous, we will go to heaven after a little purgation process. The Judgment day that you are referring to will be the 2nd judgment when we will be re-unified with our bodies.

You are correct in your bible statement of “no one going to heaven except he who has come down from heaven”, but that was prior to our Good Lord and Savior Jesus Christ opening the pearly gates for those who are found righteous.

Can you show me the proof of what you say? Two judgments??

 

[NotWorthy]

Can you show me the proof of what you say? Two judgments??

First I can show you what the Church teaches on the 2nd Judgment:

In this universal judgment all humanity—body and soul stand before God. Those previously condemned to Hell, those saved who were being purified of their venial and forgiven mortal sins in Purgatory, and the Heavenly Host of Saints are all assembled before the Judgment throne of God. This Last Judgment does not change the previous Individual or Particular Judgment; it only affirms that judgment for those who have already been judged and is the Son’s final word on the meaning and worth of all humanity. It also demonstrates for all of mankind the exact and definitive meaning of divine mercy and justice. What man has done or has failed to do will be revealed for all humanity to view—every word and every deed. Truth and goodness are the last word and everyone who has lived the Law of Love will receive a reward for deeds of goodness and mercy which are taken into eternity into the heavenly Kingdom, while the wicked, the selfish and the unloving will also receive their reward—eternal punishment and separation for all that is love.

Knowledge of this Day which will dawn in fire should call all humanity to conversion and repentance in accepting God’s gift of salvation. The universal Catechism teaches, *The message of the Last Judgment calls men to conversion while God is still giving them “the acceptable time,…the day of salvation.” It inspires a holy fear of God and commits them to the justice of the Kingdom of God. It proclaims the “blessed hope” of the Lord’s return, when he will come “to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at in all who believe” *[CCC# Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 1 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 3 ARTICLE 12”]1041

].

This teaching echoes the words of St. Paul in Titus 2:11-14: *You see, God’s grace has been revealed to save the whole human race, it has taught us that we should give up everything contrary to true religion and all our worldly passions; we must be self-restrained and live upright and religious lives in this present world, waiting in hope for the blessings which will come with the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus. He offered himself for us in order to ransom us from all our faults and to purify a people to be his very own and eager to do good. *Be eager to do good deeds performed according to the “Law of Love”, for the good you do will be recorded in the Books of Works and will be counted on the Day of Final Judgment!

Here’s the Church’s teaching on the Individual Judgment:

Aquinas writes: The empyrean heaven is a corporeal place, and yet as soon as it was made it was filled with the holy angels, as Bede says. Since then angels even as separated souls are incorporeal, it would seem that some place should also be assigned to receive separated souls. …]. Hence it is that there is a certain fittingness by way of congruity of spiritual substances to corporeal substances, in that the more mobile bodies are adapted to the more noble substances….And though after death souls have no bodies assigned to them whereof they be the forms of determinate motors, nevertheless certain corporeal places are appointed to them by way of congruity in reference to their degree of nobility (wherein they are as though in a place, after the manner in which incorporeal things can be in a place), according as they more or less approach to the first substance (to which the highest place it fittingly assigned), namely God, whose throne the Scriptures proclaim heaven to be (Ps. 102:19, Isaiah 66:1). Wherefore we hold that those souls that have a perfect share of the Godhead are in heaven, and that those souls that are deprived of that share are assigned to a contrary place. Aquinas, Q. 69 Art, 1

What does Scripture teach concerning Jesus as Judge, His role in the Particular or Individual Judgment, and General or Final Judgment?

%between% Answer:

• Matthew 25:31-32: When the Son of man comes in his glory, escorted by all the angles, then he will take his seat on his throne of glory. All nations will be assembled before him an he will separate people one from another as the shepherd separates sheep from goats.
• 2 Corinthians 5:10: For at the judgment seat of Christ we are all to be seen for what we are, so that each of us may receive what he has deserved in the body, matched to whatever he has done, good or bad.
• John 5:21- 22: *Thus, as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son gives life to anyone he chooses; for the Father judges no one; he has entrusted all judgment to the Son, so that all may honor the Son as they honor the Father. Whoever refuses honor to the Son refuses honor to the Father who sent him. *Power over life and death is the power of a judge; it is a power God has entrusted to the Son.
• Acts 10:42b-43: …God has appointed him to judge everyone, alive or dead. It is to him that all the prophets bear this witness: that all who believe in Jesus will have their sins forgiven through his name.
• Romans 2:5-8: Your stubborn refusal to repent is only storing up retribution for yourself on that Day of retribution when God’s just verdicts will be made known. He will repay everyone as their deeds deserve. For those who aimed for glory and honor and immortality by persevering in doing good, there will be eternal life; but for those who out of jealousy have taken for their guide not truth but injustice, there will be the fury of retribution.
• Romans 8:34: Are we not sure that it is Christ Jesus, who died—yes and more, who was raised from the dead and is at God’s right hand—and who is added his plea for us? Can anything cut us off from the love of Christ….
• 2 Corinthians 5:10: For at the judgment seat of Christ we are all to be seen for what we are, so that each of us may receive what he has deserved in the body, matched to whatever he has don; good or bad.
• Hebrew 9:27: *Since human beings die only once, after which comes judgment, so Christ too, having offered himself only once to bear the sin of many, will manifest himself a second time, sin being no more, to those who are waiting for him, to bring them salvation. *As soon as one dies, one faces one’s particular judgment. Christ’s First Advent was to directly deal with sin, but since redemption is complete, His Second Advent will only deal with the Final Judgment.

 

[Old_Scholar]

First I can show you what the Church teaches on the 2nd Judgment:

Here’s the Church’s teaching on the Individual Judgment:

What does Scripture teach concerning Jesus as Judge, His role in the Particular or Individual Judgment, and General or Final Judgment?

%between% Answer:

• Matthew 25:31-32: When the Son of man comes in his glory, escorted by all the angles, then he will take his seat on his throne of glory. All nations will be assembled before him an he will separate people one from another as the shepherd separates sheep from goats.
• 2 Corinthians 5:10: For at the judgment seat of Christ we are all to be seen for what we are, so that each of us may receive what he has deserved in the body, matched to whatever he has done, good or bad.
• John 5:21- 22: *Thus, as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son gives life to anyone he chooses; for the Father judges no one; he has entrusted all judgment to the Son, so that all may honor the Son as they honor the Father. Whoever refuses honor to the Son refuses honor to the Father who sent him. *Power over life and death is the power of a judge; it is a power God has entrusted to the Son.
• Acts 10:42b-43: …God has appointed him to judge everyone, alive or dead. It is to him that all the prophets bear this witness: that all who believe in Jesus will have their sins forgiven through his name.
• Romans 2:5-8: Your stubborn refusal to repent is only storing up retribution for yourself on that Day of retribution when God’s just verdicts will be made known. He will repay everyone as their deeds deserve. For those who aimed for glory and honor and immortality by persevering in doing good, there will be eternal life; but for those who out of jealousy have taken for their guide not truth but injustice, there will be the fury of retribution.
• Romans 8:34: Are we not sure that it is Christ Jesus, who died—yes and more, who was raised from the dead and is at God’s right hand—and who is added his plea for us? Can anything cut us off from the love of Christ….
• 2 Corinthians 5:10: For at the judgment seat of Christ we are all to be seen for what we are, so that each of us may receive what he has deserved in the body, matched to whatever he has don; good or bad.
• Hebrew 9:27: *Since human beings die only once, after which comes judgment, so Christ too, having offered himself only once to bear the sin of many, will manifest himself a second time, sin being no more, to those who are waiting for him, to bring them salvation. *As soon as one dies, one faces one’s particular judgment. Christ’s First Advent was to directly deal with sin, but since redemption is complete, His Second Advent will only deal with the Final Judgment.

All the Scriptures you listed speak of only one judgment. Where did the other one come from? It is a church statement and God speaks against doctrines of man. This is not a doctrine of God. There is only one judgment and that is what we call the resurrection. We will all face God at judgment day.

Even your own church teaching above says that Christ’s second advent will deal with the final judgment. There is no mention in Scriture of another judgment for believers.

I can appreciate you believeing what you church teaches but it is not Scriptural.

 

[NotWorthy]

All the Scriptures you listed speak of only one judgment. Where did the other one come from? It is a church statement and God speaks against doctrines of man. This is not a doctrine of God. There is only one judgment and that is what we call the resurrection. We will all face God at judgment day.

Even your own church teaching above says that Christ’s second advent will deal with the final judgment. There is no mention in Scriture of another judgment for believers.

I can appreciate you believeing what you church teaches but it is not Scriptural.

Let’s start another thread rather than hi-jacking this one.

I don’t concern myself too much with the details of Purgatory or 1-2 judgments, because they are irrelevant. They are going to happen (or not happen) no matter what I believe.

In the meantime, I trust the Church that Jesus built to teach the truth and since the Church that Jesus built teaches Purgatory and 2 Judgments, then that’s the way it is.

 

[NotWorthy]

Let’s start another thread rather than hi-jacking this one.

I started one here.

 

[Old_Scholar]

Let’s start another thread rather than hi-jacking this one.

I don’t concern myself too much with the details of Purgatory or 1-2 judgments, because they are irrelevant. They are going to happen (or not happen) no matter what I believe.

In the meantime, I trust the Church that Jesus built to teach the truth and since the Church that Jesus built teaches Purgatory and 2 Judgments, then that’s the way it is.

Wouldn’t it be better to trust what the Scriptures say???

 

[Old_Scholar]

I started one here.

I will be glad to participate in that one but in a few minutes my spouse will come into my den and say it’s time to go…Dinner reservations you know, and I usually am not online on Sundays.

Don’t think I am dodging you. God Bless!

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[NotWorthy]

I will be glad to participate in that one but in a few minutes my spouse will come into my den and say it’s time to go…Dinner reservations you know, and I usually am not online on Sundays.

Don’t think I am dodging you. God Bless!

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Thanks for the update, and enjoy dinner. I’m fixing to leave to go eat all the Bar-B-Que crabs I can take. Although, with my recent diet, I don’t think that’s as many crabs as I used to take.

 

[Old_Scholar]

Thanks for the update, and enjoy dinner. I’m fixing to leave to go eat all the Bar-B-Que crabs I can take. Although, with my recent diet, I don’t think that’s as many crabs as I used to take.

Don’t worry. The fat content in blue crabs is very, very low and the cholesterol count is low as well. The drawn butter isn’t so good for you tho’. But I wouldn’t let that stop me!

 

[NotWorthy]

Don’t worry. The fat content in blue crabs is very, very low and the cholesterol count is low as well. The drawn butter isn’t so good for you tho’. But I wouldn’t let that stop me!

This stuffed tick replies, “Amen”!!!