Which version of the Bible to buy?

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So, I came along the passage in Luke 1:28 in my New American Bible…and I expected to read, “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.”

But instead, I read, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.” Maybe I’m jaded, but to me that sounds incredibly vulgar.

Is there a Bible I can get that contains “full of grace” while still be accessible to read for a Bible-reading noob? Right now I’m looking at the Douay-Rheims, but it looks a little challenging to read.

tyia
 
minion said:
So, I came along the passage in Luke 1:28 in my New American Bible…and I expected to read, “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.”

But instead, I read, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.” Maybe I’m jaded, but to me that sounds incredibly vulgar.

Is there a Bible I can get that contains “full of grace” while still be accessible to read for a Bible-reading noob? Right now I’m looking at the Douay-Rheims, but it looks a little challenging to read.

tyia
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The RSV-2CE from Ignatius Press may fit your needs.
 
The Knox Bible will be released soon. I’ve heard it’s pretty easy to read and very beautiful sounding.
 
[BIBLEDRB]Luke 1:28[/BIBLEDRB]

As Zenkai suggested, Knox does use the phrase “full of grace.” (click “Knox” in the citation above to see it) Although, I’m not sure the entire verse is an improvement over the D-R
 
RSV-CE first or second edition.

Jerusalem Bible (1966?) and the Douay-Rheims.

Knox is utterly beautiful. So is the online “Catholic Public Domain Bible” whose owner actually posts on the forum periodically 👍 (though not an actual print bible)
 
The word translated as “favored” by Protestants and as “full of grace” by us has this definition:

from (charis); to grace, i.e. indue with special honor :- make accepted, be highly favoured.
—Strong’s Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

Strong’s is a protestant dictionary. Notice the first part: “to grace,” followed by “i.e.” which means the words that follow are someone’s interpretation of “to grace.” Kinda like saying the French word “haricot” means “bean, i.e. pea pod.” They’re similar, but…

…:rolleyes: I wonder whether they’re afraid someone will associate that passage with the Rosary? :whistle:

Oh, dear, that was uncharitable. :tsktsk: I’ll have to take it to confession. :sad_yes:
 
Whew, well…

I decided to just go by the Douay-Rheims version for regular reading, then a supporting, easier to read Bible if I don’t understand a passage…not really feeling NAB, so I’m probably going to go by your folks’ suggestions as well.

Thanks everyone 👍

“Hail, favored one…” :rolleyes: It’s not just me right? I’m not being a hardliner or anything right? I feel kinda bad for bashing a officially sanctioned Catholic Bible.
 
LoyalViews said:
RSV-CE first or second edition.

Jerusalem Bible (1966?) and the Douay-Rheims.

Knox is utterly beautiful. So is the online “Catholic Public Domain Bible” whose owner actually posts on the forum periodically 👍 (though not an actual print bible)
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New Jerusalem doesn’t. I didn’t check the 1966 (though I have it “offline”, I get most of my quotes “online”)
 
Go online and buy a 1952 bible.

It will contain the Douay Rheims Challoner Old Testament–the Confraternity New Testament–and a new English translation of the New Latin Psalms(Bea Psalter) authorized by Pope Pius XII.

The notes will be conservative.

It will have both “A vrigin will conceive” in Isaiah 7:14 and “Hail full of grace” in Luke 1:28.

The Challoner Old Testament will be easier to read than the Douay Rheims Old Testament because 1750 English is more modern than 1609 English.

The Bea Psalter will be more accurate than the Douay Rheims Challoner Psalter because some of the verb tenses will be more accurate–it is in the direction of the Masoretic text which isn’t a great thing but is less so than any other modern translations out there.

The Confraternity New Testament is stylistically easier to read than the Douay Rheims Challoner New Testament–it’s the best polished Vulgate based New Testament out there.

This combination bible IS NOT Protestant as the RSV-2CE is in verses such as 2 Corinthians 2:10 and Hebrews 11:1.

It doesn’t have modernistic liberal notes.

I’m not saying it is perfect–I am saying it is LESS INACCURATE than any other bible translation currently being printed in English.
 
Thank you for the suggestion!

I was having a difficult time deciding on a new Douay-Rheims Bible from either St. Benedict Press, Loretto or Baronius…perhaps an older used Bible is a better idea :hmmm:
 
minion said:
So, I came along the passage in Luke 1:28 in my New American Bible…and I expected to read, “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.”

But instead, I read, “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.” Maybe I’m jaded, but to me that sounds incredibly vulgar.

Is there a Bible I can get that contains “full of grace” while still be accessible to read for a Bible-reading noob? Right now I’m looking at the Douay-Rheims, but it looks a little challenging to read.

tyia
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Sure. You should get the Wycliffe Bible- the first complete English translation. It has “full of grace”. It can be purchased from Amazon for just $17.
 
I second those 2! There are printed CPDV Bibles.
LoyalViews said:
Jerusalem Bible (1966?)
So is the online “Catholic Public Domain Bible” whose owner actually posts on the forum periodically 👍 (though not an actual print bible)
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LoyalViews said:
RSV-CE first or second edition.

Jerusalem Bible (1966?) and the Douay-Rheims.

Knox is utterly beautiful. So is the online “Catholic Public Domain Bible” whose owner actually posts on the forum periodically 👍 (though not an actual print bible)
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Jerusalem Bible for me is very good, I obtained one in a Used Book Store, it’s obviously printed in English-styled English rather than American-styled English.
 
BroomWagon said:
Jerusalem Bible for me is very good, I obtained one in a Used Book Store, it’s obviously printed in English-styled English rather than American-styled English.
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It also uses the word “favored” in Luke 1:28 instead of “grace”, which is what the OP is looking for. :sad_yes: (I had a chance to check my '66 JB)

I don’t have a personal preference for word choice in most cases but for those who do, JB won’t cut it.
 
Luke 1:28 from the DR Bible was an incorrect translation. You may desire that it read
 
While you may want Luke 1:28 to read ‘Hail full of grace’ the fact is that this is an erroneous
translation. The NAB translation of ‘favored one’ is correct.
 
Ruthie_again said:
The word translated as “favored” by Protestants and as “full of grace” by us has this definition:

from (charis); to grace, i.e. indue with special honor :- make accepted, be highly favoured.
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They are actually two different expressions from two different languages: “full of grace” is the rendering of gratia plena, the expression used by the Latin Vulgate in Lk 1:28; “highly favoured” is a rendering of κεχαριτωμενη (more precisely “having been highly favoured”), the expression used by the Greek text in Lk 1:28.

While the Latin version most obviously lends itself to the reading that Mary was shielded from sin, and so this is a major reason why Protestant polemicists do want to get away from it, it is worth noting that the Orthodox, who have never used the Latin version, also believe that Mary did not sin.
 
minion said:
Whew, well…

I decided to just go by the Douay-Rheims version for regular reading, then a supporting, easier to read Bible if I don’t understand a passage…not really feeling NAB, so I’m probably going to go by your folks’ suggestions as well.
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Like a number of others in this thread, I recommend a Catholic edition of the RSV.
I personally use the Ignatius RSV - 2nd Edition, which is available in both hardcover and paperback.
 
If you are using the Bible for “regular” reading and go to an “English Speaking” Catholic Church your “main Bible” should be the NAB-RE, which has been set up as the Bible to be used in all English speaking Churches within the Church.

That said, if you wish to have more than one Bible, for study purposes to get deeper into the Word from many vantage points, I would add (not replace) the New Jerusalem Bible, the Douay Bible.

In Christ,

Friar Don, OBR
 
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